...was thinking of retirement
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
The Pride Grand Prix Coleman was a man.
otherwise...
haters.
Coleman did good in winning the GP, but he was definitley given a gift road to victory.
ECWCock - 10 yrs. ago Coleman would have beaten a teenaged Bonner. Not now.
What makes you so sure Coleman couldn't beat a teenaged Bonner now?
Coleman is a legend. While he didn't open the world's eyes to wrestling's value as a martial art (that was Severn's doing), he was the pioneer of the GnP style and was a nightmare in his prime. That said, he was blessed with incredible luck in the 2000 GP, and he's always had trouble with his cardio; sure, people say he's finally addressed that problem, but we've heard that before.
I would love to see the dude finish out his career on a high note, but I just don't imagine it'll happen.
Coleman = the American Sakuraba
pioneer of the GnP
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jcblass - pioneer of the GnP
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Yes, he was. But don't take my word for it...
"Mark Coleman has got such a long list of wrestling titles, but it's when he stepped into mixed martial arts that he really proved the dominance of wrestlers who can go into the guard and strike or take you down and strike. He is the man responsible for coining the term 'ground and pound,' referring to his ability to takedown and then punch, elbow, and knee his way to victory." (Stephen Quadros @ Pride 16)
"Video cameras previously recorded a few instances of fights won with punches on the ground -- Rickson Gracie's beatdown of Hugo Duarte on the beach comes to mind -- but ground-and-pound as a distinct fighting style in modern MMA started with Coleman's debut at UFC 10." (Sergio Non @ USAToday.com)
Were you not aware that he's been hailed as such for about a decade now?
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Um, there were plenty of GnP finishes before Coleman. Severn and Beneteau at UFC 5, Ruas at UFC 7, Shamrock at UFC 3. Hell, Pat Smith at UFC 2 showed what would be the most vicious GnP for years to come against the hapless Scott Morris.
I never understood why Coleman got all the credit for something that lots of fighters were already doing. Did he actually invent the phrase "Ground and Pound"? I seem to vaguely recall an interview where he might have said it for the first time.
tryptophan - Um, there were plenty of GnP finishes before Coleman. Severn and Beneteau at UFC 5, Ruas at UFC 7, Shamrock at UFC 3. Hell, Pat Smith at UFC 2 showed what would be the most vicious GnP for years to come against the hapless Scott Morris.
I never understood why Coleman got all the credit for something that lots of fighters were already doing. Did he actually invent the phrase "Ground and Pound"? I seem to vaguely recall an interview where he might have said it for the first time.
Pat Smith didn't intentially GNP Morris. It just happened. Coleman's style was to take down his opponents and pound on them, which is why he gets some credit for that.
13 years ago Coleman was headbutting guys into a bloody mess. Good times.
Crazy Zimmerman -tryptophan - Um, there were plenty of GnP finishes before Coleman. Severn and Beneteau at UFC 5, Ruas at UFC 7, Shamrock at UFC 3. Hell, Pat Smith at UFC 2 showed what would be the most vicious GnP for years to come against the hapless Scott Morris.
I never understood why Coleman got all the credit for something that lots of fighters were already doing. Did he actually invent the phrase "Ground and Pound"? I seem to vaguely recall an interview where he might have said it for the first time.
Pat Smith didn't intentially GNP Morris. It just happened. Coleman's style was to take down his opponents and pound on them, which is why he gets some credit for that.
I just imagined Smith going "Oops, sorry I caved your face in. Didn't mean to..." But I get ya.
But what about the other guys? They definitely went for the takedown with the intention of pounding out their opponents on the ground. I mean, really, what else was Dan Severn or Beneteau gonna do?
Fedor credits Coleman for GNP. That pretty much ends it.
Coleman was the GNP pioneer. He even came up with the term. Why is this now being questioned? It's been accepted fact for 12 years.
This seems to be a recent trend here lately. Maybe all the new fans want to rewrite history their way??
MrColdCock - Coleman was the GNP pioneer. He even came up with the term. Why is this now being questioned? It's been accepted fact for 12 years. This seems to be a recent trend here lately. Maybe all the new fans want to rewrite history their way??
It is definitely a trend, but I think it's just a case of the newer fans not having watched those events as they happened, nor having been part of the fan community at the time. Coleman either coined the phrase or, at the very least, was the first notable person to use it in the media and in public. Furthermore, unlike Beneteau or Severn, Coleman had actually developed a style around his wrestling: a tactical approach to fighting that used his wrestling as a base and powerful, short-range striking to inflict damage.
Severn and Beneteau, while having predated Coleman, weren't really GnP fighters: Severn, despite a reputation for not being a finisher, actually won most of his UFC fights by submission; Beneteau makes a slightly better argument for an early GnP fighter, but his use of strikes was incidental, not tactical, and had more to do with his opponents' complete lack of preparedness for an event in which takedowns were legal.
Mark Coleman is like fine wine.
Uh guys, I watched Coleman's first UFC fights live on PPV. I'm not a new fan. Which is why I remember many fighters using GnP as their principal game plan well before Coleman showed up.
I think you are REALLY straining when you suggest that Severn was some kind of submission specialist. I mean come on. You seem to also forget that Coleman also had submission wins via neckcrank (well, at least one that I can recall against Severn himself).
I gave numerous examples of fighters deliberately and strategically taking their opponents down and punching them in the head until the fight was stopped.
Lots of things from the good ol' days are mythologized now. I think it is some of you guys who are forgetting the context of the times. When Coleman showed up, no one was like "Whoa! You can punch dudes on the ground? Awesome!" It was just that he was the most dominating wrestler to show up on the scene, was huge and ripped and made a big impression. The takedown and punching on the ground was, by then, standard technique. I mean, shit, Andy Anderson tried to work some GnP on John Hess for chrissakes.