2 of my favs......

Thanks guys......

I was surfing youtube for some Tony Rice lessons -- didn't find what might be most useful for you (surfing) at this point, though it can't hurt to look. But also, you might look at some of the lessons from Banjo Ben Clark. Here he does the "crosspicking" version of "I Am A Pilgrim":

Ali - thanks for sure!

I've been using Banjo Ben's regular lesson for that song.....I'll give this one a look as well.


I should have guessed you knew about Banjo Ben already. I'm the one that didn't!

So this isn't "I Am A Pilgrim", and it might not speak to where you are immediately, but... it does show, at a pretty human speed, all the varieties of picking discussed. (Or at least economy -- which includes sweeps -- and cross- and hybrid- picking. I think you'll enjoy it. For your troubles... (although probably you've seen this already, too!)

i truly appreciate all of the time and effort you guys are putting into this for me. i'm totally open to all help so please fire away.

my "teacher" is a big fan of Banjo Ben so I'm kinda familiar with him. It hasn't been until the last 2 weeks or so that I've gotten to the point that I can actually tackle one of his videos.

I googled him and as it turns out he tours with Taylor Swift and plays multiple instruments in her band.

Speaking for myself... the 'time and effort' is really just fun, too, so no worries. I've been revisiting some music and players outside of what I normally spend my time listening to. And for some reason, even though I never played with a pick, I'm fascinated with the variety of solutions people come up with to the problem of how to pluck a string. I'm fascinated with the ways finger and classical players do it, too; but that extra tool is a bit of arcana I find irresistible, too. It's like studying the occult or something ;-) I love drum instructionals, too, and have never played drums at all.

Anyway, last time i really spent any time with Tony Rice was because of forum bro DasBeaver, some years ago. And like then, this time I'm also following that lead to revisit Clarence White and Jerry Reed and (thanks to jman) Tommy Emmanuel.... and it just effloresces into a "six degrees of ..." sort of game from there. If I think about it, I can no doubt get to Andy Summers and Allan Holdsworth in several steps.... (!) Music fanboy obsessions take over a large percentage of my monkey-mind!

And now you got me to connect Taylor Swift.... I didn't chase down who Banjo Ben was. thanks for thinking to!

I think it's safe to say jman plays here for fun, too. (But I won't speak for him). And while I've been "superfan" in terms of listening to a breadth of genres and players, he's definitely forgotten more about the nuts and bolts of music-making than I'll ever know. And, unlike me, knows how to hold a guitar pick ;-)

What Axl_ said earlier, too -- definitely applies in the classical world, as well. That is, lots of players put all the emphasis on the left hand, and their playing sucks as a result. Coordination of the two hands is vital (and not obvious as it sounds); and the tonal color you get is dependent on the "attack" on the string. How much of the pick or finger or nail, or some combination, at what angle, how close to the bridge or neck, with how much force... all the things that go into "tone" (as the electric guys like to obsess about) are affected VERY strongly by the right hand. With acoustic, even more so, just because you don't have all that other stuff, like amp and pickups. Of course you still have the instrument itself in all its variety, and choice of strings.... but your right hand makes up for all of the variation in timbre within one performance. (That and mistakes with your left hand!)

good to know about the right hand.

i've noticed my teacher has a very delicate touch with his rt hand. me, well, i'm more in the Hulk Smash stage, lol......really though, I'm getting better at not being so heavy handed. We havent really touched on it yet but i am becoming aware of it.

here's some stuff, if you haven't already heard it, that you might like - i know i do!:




you might say i've become a fan of Clarence White.

Of course I checked out the first of those, because of Banjo Bob's very strong recommendation....

I'll be your surrogate bluey again:


And the second one, I chased down, too (like you, just looking up Clarence White stuff). I know this is just me, but I hear a phrase that reminds me of part of Pink Floyd's "Mother" at the start.... Clarence White with Tony Rice:


And no, I didn't discover this one -- thanks.

Clarence White -- Nashville West, 1967. This is almost an hour (fair warning):

i hear some Garcia in Nashville West.

Thanks for posting.