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pummel - blindDamn...arm in guillotine...their secret knowledge must have passed in a direct lineage to renzo
higherprimate718 - I would say that it seems pretty clear that for most of human history, it was generally recognized that either boxing or grappling was the effective way to fight someone. People fought all the time, so there was an abundance of opportunities to test techniques.
it wasnt till 70s and the rise of watered down TMAs in america that shit got weird and retarded.... gracie jiu jitsu was a reaction to that, but gracie jiu jitsu is also composed along the concept of a fighting style for smaller weaker people. I bet karelin would have raped everyone at ufc 1
Some very good points.
I would say the "weird and retarded" started a little earlier than the 70's but your points are pretty accurate. A good example would be that our armed forces were taught a H2H system developed by Ed Lewis and Jack Dempsey until it was replaced by one based in TKD. Talk about de-evolution.
just in case im nt already subbed
Subd. Will attempt to sneak these into wrestling practice...hehehe
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Time passes, so many valued members who are long since passed from the forum.
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We used to have some lively times
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Its quite apparent that the Gracies were really nothing totally new except for their willingess to go to their back instead of worrying abut getting pinned. Many pics you see the Kimura applied from the bottom with one shoulder off the mat and hooking one leg to the outside with hips pointed up. Pretty much modified catch wrestling and jiu jitsu combined. 'no rules or points'.Â
Awesome pics. Thanks for bringing this thread back to life.
Damn. Who knew these threads were still around?
I see the usual suspects are coming out of the woodwork.
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Maybe I could dig up some new ones nowâŚI think itâs been long enoughâŚ
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the prodigal returns
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Whatâs up? I was just thinking about all the good times we used to have here. Reckon victor is still alive and pak saoing, heâd be around 80 if not close to it, now. I was actually thinking about his wacky sammartino MSG shooting stories.
this isnât a submission, but demonstrates a excellent training methodology. When you can hold that for over 2 minutes, youâre going to be a hard man to stop.
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Is that dude hanging by his fucking neck?
yep, itâs a flat leather strap, about the width of a tow strap. A horse collar was commonly used also, thatâs the big leather thing stuffed with straw thatâs around the neck of horses pulling a wagon. When you can do at least a couple minutes both under the chin and the back of the head, youâre a hard man to stop