This ever happen to you?
A few triangle specialists at the club... they have long legs, great pass defense and good triangles.
So at first I got in my triangle "safety position" of double under hooking the legs and try to work the pass.
But everytime I play them, I don't really like having to drop down to that pass.. and they're good at defending the double under.
So now what do I do?
Play a lot of standing open guard stuff? That's my game, but they still have spider and DLR which helps for longer guys. But I play a lot of DLR and spider so it helps to be familiar.
I know of one guy at our academy that loves baiting the triangle then passing right away. He gets grips and stays super tight, right when my guard opens to shoot up he immediately switches hips and shoulders for a tight pass. For a lack of a better example, something like Fedor tried to do to Werdum.
I'm sort of a Triangle Player and there's a blackbelt I roll with once in a while that kills my game in the gi. Basically what he does is force me (and everyone else) to have one leg between his. He uses his shin to sit on that leg and kind of kill the 1/2 guard where the bottom leg is not able to hook the other into a full 1/2 guard. He then underhooks with his outside arm where it's kind of like baiting the triangle with that leg up over his shoulder. He's then in the position to pass.
From there, he either passes to the inside and sits through to get his leg out, or grips the pinned leg with his inside hand (inside of the thigh) and passes to the outside while using his outside arm to cross grab a lapel while pinning the hips.
It works like 95% of the time. The other 5% it ends up in a scramble and he beats me by taking my back or going to north-south. It's amazing. He passes EVERYONE (other blackbelts, browns etc...) all the time.
Let me see if I can find a video.
stand up and do the steering wheel pass.
that's how i know it by from carlos machado.
grab each leg at knee, shins, whatever... i prefer knee.
turn them as if you have a big steering wheel in your hands and if you turn the 'wheel' counter clockwise you pass to your left.... maintain the "wheel's" position until you get to their side.
they may counter w/ two good stiff arms preventing you going to their side... if they do this, you need to step your left leg wide around them to the opposite side (ie your right his left).... in doing so, you bypass their arms and end up side on the opposite side you intended to pass on (ie you will end up on their left).
i also like the passes on the long legged guys where you pin their legs.
here's a good one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwkxXNPwEQ
Empire - i also like the passes on the long legged guys where you pin their legs.
here's a good one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwkxXNPwEQ
That is very similar to the one I tried to explain. Same basic principle, but the guy that smashes people with it uses his shins to really pin the persons leg after he grips it and pins it. Also, the arm reaching to the lapel, he reaches thumb down to the opposite lapel, like a bread-cutter choke grip. As a matter of fact, if you don't defend when he passes, he finishes the choke from there.
^
that's my bread and butter versus long legs. that or i force butterfly...
change levels....
you basically have to pin one leg somehow and then stretch the fucker out.
stand up
Pass over.
Passing under = worrying about armbar / triangle
Passing over = worrying about kimura / sweeps
In your situation, pass over.
Empire - ^
that's my bread and butter versus long legs. that or i force butterfly...
change levels....
you basically have to pin one leg somehow and then stretch the fucker out.
Exactly. If you put enough pressure and keep your elbows both in or both out of their guard, it's possible to pass anyone. Once you pass, use should to chin pressure to keep them flat and move to more dominant positions (mount, back-mount etc..).
tCT has passed the guad of correct in this thread.
twinkletoesCT - <B>Pass over.</B>
Passing under = worrying about armbar / triangle
Passing over = worrying about kimura / sweeps
In your situation, pass over.
Wow, I never thought about it that way. I love standing passes and it does seem that way you described... That's great, thanks twinkle!