SOMEONE may want to chime in on this one.
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma3forums/thread.cfm?thread_id=298706&ThreadName=Create%20your%20own%20submission%20hold%3F&messages=24&forum_id=16
"Subject: RE: INFO
From: adriandsouza
Date: 06-Mar-02 | 04:23 PM
Why re-invent the wheel? Why take 5 years thinking up techniques and strategies that have already been tested somewhere in the dark jungles of melee combat?
Seek to find out new techniques that are tried and tested. Don't create them. "
Uh...
Touch my belly!
!!!
Advice acknowledged!
Touch my belly!