Sit N Smile -khabib fucking wrecks him in wrestling even after fatigued. there's levels to this shit. fuck u if u disagree
Askern is much bigger and Khabib wrestling skill is over rated. He wins based on overall grappling and being more tenacious.
Sit N Smile -khabib fucking wrecks him in wrestling even after fatigued. there's levels to this shit. fuck u if u disagree
Askern is much bigger and Khabib wrestling skill is over rated. He wins based on overall grappling and being more tenacious.
Romero may very well be the better wrestler, but regardless, he doesn’t use wrestling nearly as often or well as Ben in MMA. GSP is the best overall, Khabib is the best at keeping top control, and Ben is the best at being sticky, IMHO.
fan4000 -Koga -Americans consider domestic university sports to be the highest level of athletic competition but this hype is ridiculous. Yoel Romero for example holds six Olympic and world championship medals. Askren competed in one Olympics, where he was 1-1.
I agree that MMA wrestling is different from sport wrestling. While GSP never competed in wrestling, he put wrestled US school champs like Trigg, Hughes and Fitch in the Cage. Askren taking down some Cambodian kids in MMA who never even training in wrestling before only qualifies him as the best wrestler in MMA in south-east Asia.
A lot of athletes who have competed in both the olympics and the ncaa championship say the NCAAs are more difficult. Askerns style didn’t translate to freestyle as well as it worked in folkstyle.
Plus look at the number of college wrestlers to the number of wrestlers on the world senior level. Just because the Olympics involve the whole world doesn’t mean that Yoel is better than Ben at wrestling. If they wrestled freestyle Yoel would win but if they wrestled folkstyle there’s a good chance that Askern would win.
Competing in the NCAA is more of a grind, but the talent level in the olympics is greater.
fan4000 -Koga -Americans consider domestic university sports to be the highest level of athletic competition but this hype is ridiculous. Yoel Romero for example holds six Olympic and world championship medals. Askren competed in one Olympics, where he was 1-1.
I agree that MMA wrestling is different from sport wrestling. While GSP never competed in wrestling, he put wrestled US school champs like Trigg, Hughes and Fitch in the Cage. Askren taking down some Cambodian kids in MMA who never even training in wrestling before only qualifies him as the best wrestler in MMA in south-east Asia.
A lot of athletes who have competed in both the olympics and the ncaa championship say the NCAAs are more difficult. Askerns style didn’t translate to freestyle as well as it worked in folkstyle.
Plus look at the number of college wrestlers to the number of wrestlers on the world senior level. Just because the Olympics involve the whole world doesn’t mean that Yoel is better than Ben at wrestling. If they wrestled freestyle Yoel would win but if they wrestled folkstyle there’s a good chance that Askern would win.
Not being a dick but who has said that about NCAAs vs Olympics? I'm genuinely curious. And Wiggum is one the best wrestling posters on this site and one the reasons I still sift though this forum.
lol at having Chris Weidman on that list. He was clearly outwrestled by Rockhold.
Pre knee surgery GSP was the best MMA wrestler we have ever seen, and it's not even close. He was putting the top wrestlers on their asses and making it look easy, guys who no one could take down for the most part.
leifdawg -lol at having Chris Weidman on that list. He was clearly outwrestled by Rockhold.
Was he? I remember taking Weidman down off the failed wheel kick. Had he outwrestled Weidman before that?
Calhoon -Koga -If the goal posts are being changed from best wrestler in mma to best grappler, you have to take into account guys like Maia and Dos Anjos. As with the Olympics, Askren competed in one ADCC and went 1-1.
ADCC or sub grappling is as different from mma as gi is to no gi, maybe even more.
Khabib has the best mma grappling style imo overall but Askren is good and I think it’s better than Khabib’s in the wrestling Dept. Better than Romero’s wrestling too for mma. All of his wrestling for mma, not just takedowns. His work on the ground also. Askren wrestling on the ground is brutal wit the safety rules in the sport of wrestling taken out.
Again, it will be a great fight.
No gi sub grappling is mma with no punches. It's the only way to prepare for mma, Def not worlds apart.
Bilge Water -Pre knee surgery GSP was the best MMA wrestler we have ever seen, and it's not even close. He was putting the top wrestlers on their asses and making it look easy, guys who no one could take down for the most part.
This, however I believe he can still make guys like Askren, or anyone else look silly in the wrestling aspect of MMA. People are basing their opinions off of a bulked up GSP, but a smaller GSP at 170, or less, will still be too much for anyone.
SmerkABewl -DonFrye_Fan -Bilge Water -Pre knee surgery GSP was the best MMA wrestler we have ever seen, and it's not even close. He was putting the top wrestlers on their asses and making it look easy, guys who no one could take down for the most part.
This, however I believe he can still make guys like Askren, or anyone else look silly in the wrestling aspect of MMA. People are basing their opinions off of a bulked up GSP, but a smaller GSP at 170, or less, will still be too much for anyone.
Laughable. Hendricks didn’t have any issues taking gsp down... Kyle Dake, 2 years training would fuck anyone up in the ww division.
David Taylor two years training would be MW champ In two years...
JDen Cox is JBJ 2.0 and shits on him in every aspect. Definite 205 champ...
Snyder would be the best mma fighter. Good luck getting anything on him. So much great USA wrestling that could easily show the pinnacle of USA mma
GSP was 3 for 6 on TD's. Hendricks was 2 of 4.
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SmerkABewl -fan4000 -Koga -Americans consider domestic university sports to be the highest level of athletic competition but this hype is ridiculous. Yoel Romero for example holds six Olympic and world championship medals. Askren competed in one Olympics, where he was 1-1.
I agree that MMA wrestling is different from sport wrestling. While GSP never competed in wrestling, he put wrestled US school champs like Trigg, Hughes and Fitch in the Cage. Askren taking down some Cambodian kids in MMA who never even training in wrestling before only qualifies him as the best wrestler in MMA in south-east Asia.
A lot of athletes who have competed in both the olympics and the ncaa championship say the NCAAs are more difficult. Askerns style didn’t translate to freestyle as well as it worked in folkstyle.
Plus look at the number of college wrestlers to the number of wrestlers on the world senior level. Just because the Olympics involve the whole world doesn’t mean that Yoel is better than Ben at wrestling. If they wrestled freestyle Yoel would win but if they wrestled folkstyle there’s a good chance that Askern would win.
Askren would tool Romero in folkstyle . Once it hit the mat, it would be game over.
That’s how I see it too but there are scenarios in which I think Yoel could win. If we broke it down like a college match. I think Yoel would keep it 0-0 going into the second. If Ben took bottom he cuts him. Now it’s 1-0 Ben. Yoel gets called for stalling in the 2nd but we go into the third 1-0 Ben. Yoel picks neutral gets busted for stalling again 2-0 Ben. Yoel scores an explosive takedown with short time 2-2. Yoel gets a takedown in OT.
I think ben would need to pick top and Yoel would more than likely have a powerful first move off bottom just given his athleticism.
Competitive Architecture -fan4000 -Koga -Americans consider domestic university sports to be the highest level of athletic competition but this hype is ridiculous. Yoel Romero for example holds six Olympic and world championship medals. Askren competed in one Olympics, where he was 1-1.
I agree that MMA wrestling is different from sport wrestling. While GSP never competed in wrestling, he put wrestled US school champs like Trigg, Hughes and Fitch in the Cage. Askren taking down some Cambodian kids in MMA who never even training in wrestling before only qualifies him as the best wrestler in MMA in south-east Asia.
A lot of athletes who have competed in both the olympics and the ncaa championship say the NCAAs are more difficult. Askerns style didn’t translate to freestyle as well as it worked in folkstyle.
Plus look at the number of college wrestlers to the number of wrestlers on the world senior level. Just because the Olympics involve the whole world doesn’t mean that Yoel is better than Ben at wrestling. If they wrestled freestyle Yoel would win but if they wrestled folkstyle there’s a good chance that Askern would win.
Not being a dick but who has said that about NCAAs vs Olympics? I'm genuinely curious. And Wiggum is one the best wrestling posters on this site and one the reasons I still sift though this forum.
I don’t have a name off the top of my head honestly but I’ve heard it dozens of times throughout the years at camps and shit. As mentioned it’s more about the grind. You’ve been making weight all season and wrestling savages on a weekly basis for months plus the savages you wrestle daily in the practice room. It all culminates with a large 32ish man bracket at the NCAAs. Just the sheer amount of wrestling leading up to that is enough to mentally 95% of society, at least.
Sit N Smile -wiggum -Sit N Smile -khabib fucking wrecks him in wrestling even after fatigued. there's levels to this shit. fuck u if u disagree
Ben is a more accomplished wrestler than Khabib.
It’s possible Khabib outwrestles Ben. But it’s not likely. Ben’s credentials as a wrestlers are far better.
credentials are out the window tbh, this became painfully clear when saki got ko’d by rountree (even when crocop got ko’d by randleman)
fedor also easily outstruck cc for an entire fight
on papaer, based on credentials, shouldnt have ever hapened in a million years... but mma is crazy
it's all about excecution, and at the moment, khabib in incomparable. more explosive than askren, against much tougher quality competition, and under much more intense pressure. im sure askren will do very well in the ufc, but he'll look average at 170... not champion material that ive seen but def a very tough contender.
name 1 top wrestler Khabib took down and who says credentials out the window ( you )
Koga -Khabib has beaten the best in his division, Askren’s best win was against a shot Aoki who is a featherweight. Askren is entirely unproven in the big leagues. Potential, sure, but to state he is the best wrestler in MMA is absurd.
Bullshit, Askren beat Dougles Lima with ease, the same Lima that was Bellator champ, and the same Lima who gave Rory Mcdonald all he could handle. You sayinf that Aoki was Bens best win shows that you don't know shit, so stfu.
fan4000 -Competitive Architecture -fan4000 -Koga -Americans consider domestic university sports to be the highest level of athletic competition but this hype is ridiculous. Yoel Romero for example holds six Olympic and world championship medals. Askren competed in one Olympics, where he was 1-1.
I agree that MMA wrestling is different from sport wrestling. While GSP never competed in wrestling, he put wrestled US school champs like Trigg, Hughes and Fitch in the Cage. Askren taking down some Cambodian kids in MMA who never even training in wrestling before only qualifies him as the best wrestler in MMA in south-east Asia.
A lot of athletes who have competed in both the olympics and the ncaa championship say the NCAAs are more difficult. Askerns style didn’t translate to freestyle as well as it worked in folkstyle.
Plus look at the number of college wrestlers to the number of wrestlers on the world senior level. Just because the Olympics involve the whole world doesn’t mean that Yoel is better than Ben at wrestling. If they wrestled freestyle Yoel would win but if they wrestled folkstyle there’s a good chance that Askern would win.
Not being a dick but who has said that about NCAAs vs Olympics? I'm genuinely curious. And Wiggum is one the best wrestling posters on this site and one the reasons I still sift though this forum.
I don’t have a name off the top of my head honestly but I’ve heard it dozens of times throughout the years at camps and shit. As mentioned it’s more about the grind. You’ve been making weight all season and wrestling savages on a weekly basis for months plus the savages you wrestle daily in the practice room. It all culminates with a large 32ish man bracket at the NCAAs. Just the sheer amount of wrestling leading up to that is enough to mentally 95% of society, at least.
askren was and is great at freestyle way tougher making the Olympic team in open devidion than NCAAs Just because he didnt place in Olympics does not mean he didnt transfer well .To make the Olympic team u have to be great.And Wiggum is probly the most knowledgable wrestling fan on this site along with Sin City Hustler
How many good wrestlers has Askren faced in MMA?
SmerkABewl -Animal Mother -The fact of the matter is we have absolutely no idea how good Askrens wrestling is in MMA. Hes been a can crusher for years. The good thing is we'll find out.
So dominating Lima for 5 rounds is can crushing?
When he did it, yes. Lima was no where near as good as he is now .
Winndaddy -Koga -Khabib has beaten the best in his division, Askren’s best win was against a shot Aoki who is a featherweight. Askren is entirely unproven in the big leagues. Potential, sure, but to state he is the best wrestler in MMA is absurd.
Bullshit, Askren beat Dougles Lima with ease, the same Lima that was Bellator champ, and the same Lima who gave Rory Mcdonald all he could handle. You sayinf that Aoki was Bens best win shows that you don't know shit, so stfu.
You .Are. Wrong.
Winston Wolf -fan4000 -Competitive Architecture -fan4000 -Koga -Americans consider domestic university sports to be the highest level of athletic competition but this hype is ridiculous. Yoel Romero for example holds six Olympic and world championship medals. Askren competed in one Olympics, where he was 1-1.
I agree that MMA wrestling is different from sport wrestling. While GSP never competed in wrestling, he put wrestled US school champs like Trigg, Hughes and Fitch in the Cage. Askren taking down some Cambodian kids in MMA who never even training in wrestling before only qualifies him as the best wrestler in MMA in south-east Asia.
A lot of athletes who have competed in both the olympics and the ncaa championship say the NCAAs are more difficult. Askerns style didn’t translate to freestyle as well as it worked in folkstyle.
Plus look at the number of college wrestlers to the number of wrestlers on the world senior level. Just because the Olympics involve the whole world doesn’t mean that Yoel is better than Ben at wrestling. If they wrestled freestyle Yoel would win but if they wrestled folkstyle there’s a good chance that Askern would win.
Not being a dick but who has said that about NCAAs vs Olympics? I'm genuinely curious. And Wiggum is one the best wrestling posters on this site and one the reasons I still sift though this forum.
I don’t have a name off the top of my head honestly but I’ve heard it dozens of times throughout the years at camps and shit. As mentioned it’s more about the grind. You’ve been making weight all season and wrestling savages on a weekly basis for months plus the savages you wrestle daily in the practice room. It all culminates with a large 32ish man bracket at the NCAAs. Just the sheer amount of wrestling leading up to that is enough to mentally 95% of society, at least.
askren was and is great at freestyle way tougher making the Olympic team in open devidion than NCAAs Just because he didnt place in Olympics does not mean he didnt transfer well .To make the Olympic team u have to be great.And Wiggum is probly the most knowledgable wrestling fan on this site along with Sin City Hustler
He was definitely great at freestyle as well but his funky style did not transfer over to freestyle as well. For one you can’t funk roll in the conventional sense in freestyle because it exposes your back. For two mat wrestling where Ben thrived is basically eliminated in freestyle. I could break it down a lot of details but basically Ben’s style was made for folkstyle and had to be heavily modified for freestyle.
I’m not known on this forum like wiggum or sin city hustler but I wrestled for 15 years and coached for several afterwards. If there’s anything in the world I understand it’s wrestling. I also never even implied either one of them weren't knowledgible so I am consfused as to why people keep mentioning it.
NKcell -Calhoon -Koga -If the goal posts are being changed from best wrestler in mma to best grappler, you have to take into account guys like Maia and Dos Anjos. As with the Olympics, Askren competed in one ADCC and went 1-1.
ADCC or sub grappling is as different from mma as gi is to no gi, maybe even more.
Khabib has the best mma grappling style imo overall but Askren is good and I think it’s better than Khabib’s in the wrestling Dept. Better than Romero’s wrestling too for mma. All of his wrestling for mma, not just takedowns. His work on the ground also. Askren wrestling on the ground is brutal wit the safety rules in the sport of wrestling taken out.
Again, it will be a great fight.
No gi sub grappling is mma with no punches. It's the only way to prepare for mma, Def not worlds apart.
No gi has a lot of positions like sitting up guard which would get you kneed in the chest or punched in the face and others too. It’s similar but different.
Sub-grappling is a way to prepare for mma but it’s not the only way. A much better way is to grapple with mma rules.