ATTN: Joe Rogan. Only The Ref Can Stop Eye Pokes

We keep hearing that they need to do something with the gloves to prevent eye pokes. But, anything padded enough to remove the danger of an eye poke is going to completely disadvantage submission specialists. In the same way that taking away the shoes, or using ropes instead of a cage, disadvantages the wrestlers.

You're a black belt Joe, have you attempted to roll with fingered gloves on? How much more difficult would it be to slip your fingers through to sink in a choke?

1) Referees need to be quicker to offer warnings about fingers reaching too close to the eyes
2) Referees need to take a point for any significant eye-poke

It's a rules problem, and a refereeing problem. IMHO.

Agreed, as far as I can figure it out you can either have gloves ala Boxing where fingers are taken out of the equation, or MMA gloves where fingers are exposed. I can't think of a way there can be a middle ground. It's happening so often now that I can't help but think it's used to give the fighter a breather.. Wasn't too long ago you'd get maybe one eye poke every three cards or so Phone Post 3.0

Dreville79 - Agreed, as far as I can figure it out you can either have gloves ala Boxing where fingers are taken out of the equation, or MMA gloves where fingers are exposed. I can't think of a way there can be a middle ground. It's happening so often now that I can't help but think it's used to give the fighter a breather.. Wasn't too long ago you'd get maybe one eye poke every three cards or so Phone Post 3.0

IMHO, that's not it. If you think about it, how often do you see an intentional foul in the UFC? Half the time when the Ref didn't see it, he looks to the offending fighter and they nod, admitting it. Fighters almost never deny the fouls either.

I think it's more to do with JBJ forcing other fighters to take a look at what he does. He has mastered the face-palm. Jones did the same thing with the standing elbow strikes, they were rare a couple years ago, and now they're common. Ditto the way Georges has shown other fighters that the jab is an effective tool. When Rick Story showed up, everybody else started throwing body shots. etc. etc.

But I agree with you. There is no middle ground. Full gloves would ruin the whole sport. It's got to be the Ref and the rules.

I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0

gokudamus - I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0


yep said this for years now, if you distance check with the hand open it should be one warning then a point taken away

gokudamus - I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0

When Bones does it, his fingers are vertical. It should be a legitimate tactic to use a big open hand in the face to obstruct the other fighter's view and to distract them. etc.

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Should be a warning.
Blue please? Thanks.

Point is though, I don't get how Joe Rogan, of all people, thinks there is a viable solution that would involve tying up the fingers.

There's no way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX9dHnpg3cI
Full glove concept... No thank you.

Try the Pride-style gloves out. Apparently they didn't allow your fingers to fully extend but allowed them to extend enough to efficiently grapple. Just an idea.

Blaming the gloves is ASININE.

Let's blame forks for obesity. Guns for deaths. Cars for DUIs.

It's the human error of having an open hand. Close the fucking thing.

gokudamus - I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0


exactly.

stonepony - 1) Referees need to be quicker to offer warnings about fingers reaching too close to the eyes
2) Referees need to take a point for any significant eye-poke

Every eye poke is significant, imo.

SickEye - 


Try the Pride-style gloves out. Apparently they didn't allow your fingers to fully extend but allowed them to extend enough to efficiently grapple. Just an idea.






I say they should try the pride style gloves. I own a pair (although they feel a tad small) and they do feel way more restrictive in the way of finger extension.

If they do change to that design of glove you will get people making up excuses that they could not get a sub or grip due to the stiff gloves.

Happiness Bunny - 
SickEye - 


Try the Pride-style gloves out. Apparently they didn't allow your fingers to fully extend but allowed them to extend enough to efficiently grapple. Just an idea.






I say they should try the pride style gloves. I own a pair (although they feel a tad small) and they do feel way more restrictive in the way of finger extension.

If they do change to that design of glove you will get people making up excuses that they could not get a sub or grip due to the stiff gloves.

Rogan and Eddie Bravo should take them in to the lab then. Let them roll them with them in practice.

I suspect they will agree that the current gloves are better. The drawbacks from the restricted fingers probably outweigh the benefits.

stonepony - 
gokudamus - I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0
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When Bones does it, his fingers are vertical. It should be a legitimate tactic to use a big open hand in the face to obstruct the other fighter's view and to distract them. etc.<br />
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Should be a warning.<br />
Blue please? Thanks.</blockquote>

 

That's basically opening up legal eyepokes to keep that but not distance checking or anothger techniqe. Heads moving and hands moving, no one can get that move accurate all the time, the more it is used to more guarateed eyepokes it results in. Vertical means nothing his fingers are still pressed on a face and can slide up into an eye, there's no reason for it. stuff your palm and closed fist in their face if you have to, open fingered techniques are going to keep doing this. THe obvious reason it is unique to mma is the gloves but thumbs to the eye were once a problem in boxing, which can't do have the damage an exposed finger can and they started taking away points for it so it stopped.

 

stonepony - We keep hearing that they need to do something with the gloves to prevent eye pokes. But, anything padded enough to remove the danger of an eye poke is going to completely disadvantage submission specialists. In the same way that taking away the shoes, or using ropes instead of a cage, disadvantages the wrestlers.

You're a black belt Joe, have you attempted to roll with fingered gloves on? How much more difficult would it be to slip your fingers through to sink in a choke?

1) Referees need to be quicker to offer warnings about fingers reaching too close to the eyes
2) Referees need to take a point for any significant eye-poke

It's a rules problem, and a refereeing problem. IMHO.
Make gloves that extend a little further to your knuckle. Add elastic material that force a closed hand. But can an open hand can be made by using force. = no eye pokes Phone Post 3.0

ChaosOverkill - 
stonepony - 
gokudamus - I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0
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When Bones does it, his fingers are vertical. It should be a legitimate tactic to use a big open hand in the face to obstruct the other fighter's view and to distract them. etc.<br />
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http://fiveozofpain.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/5-quotes-from-jon-jones-alexander-gustafsson-on-ufc-165-main-event/5790868-750x340-1379607739.jpg<br />
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Should be a warning.<br />
Blue please? Thanks.</blockquote>

 

That's basically opening up legal eyepokes to keep that but not distance checking or anothger techniqe. Heads moving and hands moving, no one can get that move accurate all the time, the more it is used to more guarateed eyepokes it results in. Vertical means nothing his fingers are still pressed on a face and can slide up into an eye, there's no reason for it. stuff your palm and closed fist in their face if you have to, open fingered techniques are going to keep doing this. THe obvious reason it is unique to mma is the gloves but thumbs to the eye were once a problem in boxing, which can't do have the damage an exposed finger can and they started taking away points for it so it stopped.


 


I wasn't referring to that photo as what JBJ does that should be legal. The hand on the face there should get a warning.

But it's completely legitimate when he extends the arm out, holding it out there, with the palm blocking his opponent's view. I'm not referring to pushing off on the face, but when he's gauging distance without touching. I just couldn't find a better photo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJZTw8Y_h0

00:35 in that video. You can't make it illegal for him to do that.

ChaosOverkill - 
gokudamus - I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0


yep said this for years now, if you distance check with the hand open it should be one warning then a point taken away



It shouldn't even be a warning imo.



I don't understand the getting warnings for things that are illegal.



It only takes 1 time to poke a guy in the eye, and ruin the fight.

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juFZh92MUOY


That's actually quite the clever idea though RW. They would have to be low profile, small, and they would have to be some kind of high tech perfectly clear soft rubber.

stonepony -
gokudamus - I'll tell you how to stop it. Make sticking your hand out open a penalty. Period. Phone Post 3.0

When Bones does it, his fingers are vertical. It should be a legitimate tactic to use a big open hand in the face to obstruct the other fighter's view and to distract them. etc.

http://fiveozofpain.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/5-quotes-from-jon-jones-alexander-gustafsson-on-ufc-165-main-event/5790868-750x340-1379607739.jpg

Should be a warning.
Blue please? Thanks.

Should be a warning how many times?????

Jones was warned around a dozen time in one fucking fight. When is warnings not enough? Phone Post