"I am pretty bogged down with other things to get into a pacifism discussion."
Oh c'mon dude, I was waiting for the four or five paragraph dissertations with big bold pink and purple letters......links and all;)
"Let me just say that yes I would include those who are weaker in self defense. In fact I think a better argument can be made for defending the weak even more so than defending yourself."
I really dont think you have to get into it since I think we agree (can that be right?)
"I find it hard to love my enemies while I am killing them."
Im not really talking about killing anyone, Im more talking about stepping in when seeing someone getting violently abused who cant protect themselves (kids,elderly etc..etc..). Like I said there are to many variables to draw an exact line of how much is to much.
"The old testement was just that, it was the old relationship, the kindgdom of God was not come, it was God's blessing of the kingdoms of man."
Yes but the New does not abolish the Old and both testaments say God/Jesus is one who does not change and is the "Same" yesterday, today and forever. We are grafted into that same relationship, correct???
"Jesus brought us the new covenant, one of being a peacemaker, one of being a lover of our enemies."
I would agree but im not thinking in terms of someone who is my enemy but in the moment to moment reaction of someone looking to harm me or my children or someone again who cant protect themselves.
"I believe that pacifism takes as much courage as fighting does when the push comes to shove. Having someone spit in your face, and call you a pussy, while you stand non violently protecting another, and risking your own personal safety for the sake of love, is courageous."
thats fine so do you draw that line at verbal abuse and spits to the face, perhaps even punches??? I mean what if the abuse came in the form of a gun or knife??? I dont see nothing courageous about getting murdered or maimed when God has enabled me to protect myself and others.
"We are called to follow Jesus, we are Christians, not Jews, the question you have to ask is, would Jesus go to war?"
The way Paul talks in Thessolonians, Im not to sure. As God the Father, the first "person" of the trinity, who is the Hebrew God of the OT, its hard to say with complete certainty since He condoned war for the Jews to the point of complete slaughter. I bring up the trinity because it seems like your saying the nature of Son supercedes the nature of the Father. How can One be labeled a "Warrior" as stated all through out the OT and the other a Pacifist if they are of the same substance and essence who doesnt change???
"He showed us the way as he did not resist his tormentors"
But there was a higher meaning to why he did that, in fact the cross is the reason why he came in the first place, why would he resist???
"forgave and loved them."
That forgiveness and love is found in the OT aswell, I mean its not a new concept simply found in the NT. That is just God's nature.
I dont completely disagree with you Rev, just trying to wrap my head around what your saying, I just think there is a time when violence might be necessary and a time when the integrity of the moment calls for non violence. As to being a soldier, im not decided but surely do appreciate them.