ATTN: Tom re: atonement, limited?


I have some questions for you regarding the doctrine of limited atonement.

I know you believe that christ died for all his people on the cross, and so do I, but I need your assistance in resolving an issue Ive come across which I can't explain.

1 Tim 4

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

My concern is the last verse here, where it says Jesus is the savior of all men, and especially those that believe, which seems to indicate he died for ALL, not just for his sheep as some other passages seem to indicate.


2nd Peter 2:1

1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves

These false teachers are obviously not members in the church, yet peter has said that the sovereign Lord has bought THEM, indicating that his blood paid for thier sins as well.

Can you help me out here? I know your busy, but if you get some time, Im sure you have a biblical view on the subject and can articulate it in such a way as to clear the issue up for me? These at face value seem to show that atonement was not limited.

Thanks :)


Check out "Tom: necessity vs. justification..." I answered this exact question there.

I just had surgery and am not up to answering it again just now. Go ahead and read that thread and ask questions there and I will follow up with any answers I can provide when I have more energy. Sorry.

-Tom Bombadil