As you all know, I am the biggest supporter of as open a ruleset as possible for MMA but the ONE THING I think needs to be illegal is spiking of the head/neck directly down on the canvas (in any form - piledriver, forward leap). It is just a recipe for ABSOLUTE DISASTER and this scary incident is just the perfect example of how the Unified Rules DON'T protect the fighters and are completely arbitrary.
You have Nate Marquardt intentionally piledriving Leites on his head and not getting DQ'd or even a point taken away and you have Kurt spiking his opponent on the top of his head while that opponent is controling Kurt.....
YET Soto get's DQ'd because he upkicked Riddle when he was in his guard and fighters being warned that they aren't allowed to 12-6 elbow a fighter to his buttocks (Kong/Buentello).
There is nothing LOGICAL or SAFE about the Unified Rules. They are arbitrary and dangerous and it is time for a MAJOR overhaul.............
I think its cool. But yeah pretty dangerous but so is mma.
it's difficult to regulate a survival driven action like what happened last night.
I'm all for not just slamming people on there heads but in that situation it was a last ditch effort to not lose the fight, a split second decision; that's definitely not something you train...
donkypunch55 - it's difficult to regulate a survival driven action like what happened last night.
I'm all for not just slamming people on there heads but in that situation it was a last ditch effort to not lose the fight, a split second decision; that's definitely not something you train...
That was a tactical move. Kurt knew what he was doing and was trying to smash his opponent's head into the canvas.
It's easy to regulate. Make it illegal and deduct a point or disqualify.
ostapbjj -donkypunch55 - it's difficult to regulate a survival driven action like what happened last night.
I'm all for not just slamming people on there heads but in that situation it was a last ditch effort to not lose the fight, a split second decision; that's definitely not something you train...
That was a tactical move. Kurt knew what he was doing and was trying to smash his opponent's head into the canvas.
It's easy to regulate. Make it illegal and deduct a point or disqualify.
Exactly.
Camoes was in control, not Batman. Camoes had every opportunity to let go and protect his head. He chose to land on his own head, The rule as it stands is correct.
Would be totally different if Pellegrino did a pile driver or something.
Kirik - Camoes was in control, not Batman. Camoes had every opportunity to let go and protect his head. He chose to land on his own head, The rule as it stands is correct.
Would be totally different if Pellegrino did a pile driver or something.
what he said...
Are the unified rules in effect for the UFC?
Sorry can someone clarify the exact wording on the "head spiking" rule.
Because from what I saw there, Batman "spiked" his opponent's head in the canvas. Does the position they're in matter when someone is spiked?
Also, even if it's legal now, I can't help nut notice this move is something guys are training for and becoming pretty good at.
Kirik - Camoes was in control, not Batman. Camoes had every opportunity to let go and protect his head. He chose to land on his own head, The rule as it stands is correct.Are you missing the point where I said Camoes was in control? This is not about whether it was legal or illegal. It is perfectly legal ...............and it is WRONG and too Dangerous............
Would be totally different if Pellegrino did a pile driver or something.
Camoes did not have time to react. He didn't decide to land on his own head. He was probably just caught by surprise.
Kirik - Camoes was in control, not Batman. Camoes had every opportunity to let go and protect his head. He chose to land on his own head, The rule as it stands is correct.
Would be totally different if Pellegrino did a pile driver or something.
Yes, what an amazing opportunity he had to let go. All 1/10th of a second to react to Pellegrino diving forwards.
Yep, nothing at all wrong with trying to break someone's neck, as long as they have a better position than you.
mdmrules - Sorry can someone clarify the exact wording on the "head spiking" rule.If you are controlling your opponent and intentionally spike his head it is illegal. If you are not controling your opponent it is legal.
Because from what I saw there, Batman "spiked" his opponent's head in the canvas. Does the position they're in matter when someone is spiked?
Also, even if it's legal now, I can't help nut notice this move is something guys are training for and becoming pretty good at.
mean machine - Are the unified rules in effect for the UFC?Yes. And particularly whatever slight variations of the state they are having the vent in.
I agree. Laughable to see the Riddle fight end like that when you have someone almost paralyzed in the Pellgrino fight.
Unified rules were political driven from day 1.
Haulport -Kirik - Camoes was in control, not Batman. Camoes had every opportunity to let go and protect his head. He chose to land on his own head, The rule as it stands is correct.Are you missing the point where I said Camoes was in control? This is not about whether it was legal or illegal. It is perfectly legal ...............and it is WRONG and too Dangerous............
Would be totally different if Pellegrino did a pile driver or something.
Camoes did not have time to react. He didn't decide to land on his own head. He was probably just caught by surprise.
I teach that move in my gym and I am sure everyone else does too - if you slam back, try to work him down, if you slam forward, try to get him forward. Camoes knew it was a possibility, and had the opportunity to release the choke and block with his forearm, but he chose not to.
Happens all the time in Judo - guys opt to head plant to avoid the ippon. Camoes took the head plant to keep the choke, and as a consequence, he went out. Same thing happens with arm bars, You can hold the arm bar and be dropped on your head.
I am a hug believer in safe rules, and have done some work to forward that effort, but people have a responsibility for their own safety, too.
Kirik -And if you believe that then why don't I see you on all my other threads calling for the legalization of soccer kicks, 12-6 elbows, the wearing of different types of Gi's and knees to the head of a downed opponent? Do you believe that spiking someone on the top of their head is less dangerous?Haulport -Kirik - Camoes was in control, not Batman. Camoes had every opportunity to let go and protect his head. He chose to land on his own head, The rule as it stands is correct.Are you missing the point where I said Camoes was in control? This is not about whether it was legal or illegal. It is perfectly legal ...............and it is WRONG and too Dangerous............
Would be totally different if Pellegrino did a pile driver or something.
Camoes did not have time to react. He didn't decide to land on his own head. He was probably just caught by surprise.
I teach that move in my gym and I am sure everyone else does too - if you slam back, try to work him down, if you slam forward, try to get him forward. Camoes knew it was a possibility, and had the opportunity to release the choke and block with his forearm, but he chose not to.
Happens all the time in Judo - guys opt to head plant to avoid the ippon. Camoes took the head plant to keep the choke, and as a consequence, he went out. Same thing happens with arm bars, You can hold the arm bar and be dropped on your head.
I am a hug believer in safe rules, and have done some work to forward that effort, but people have a responsibility for their own safety, too.
japetto - So with that logic eye pokes should be allowed when trading strikes.LOL!
Basically, you know you might get poked if you take a strike to the face, so a fighter should be responsible to get out of the way of strikes to the head, considering a poke might occur.
After watching the replays/gif I agree. That could have been career/life ending.
donkypunch55 -Kirik - Camoes was in control, not Batman. Camoes had every opportunity to let go and protect his head. He chose to land on his own head, The rule as it stands is correct.
Would be totally different if Pellegrino did a pile driver or something.
what he said...
Where in the rule where it says "NO SPIKING" does the word "control" show up?
That shit looked nasty though.
michael254 - After watching the replays/gif I agree. That could have been career/life ending.
It very well could have been. But, it's okay though, because he was in a better position, so being thrown on your neck like that is fine. And I mean, he DID have all of 1/10th of a second "release the choke and block with his forearm, but he chose not to."
Definitely his fault.
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