TLDR: Zuffa is doing it wrong.
Shiloh -So true. The ASP now known as the World Surf League. Wear a jersey, but you get to wear your sponsors boardies and sponsor logos on your board.time traveling 12er -The UFC is more comparable to motocross than NBA.12SixElbow -JoeHurley - Let's be honest, these companies didn't sponsor fighters because they wanted to support them. They did it to get seen on ufc shows. They can still support fighters and get exposure but the fact is once the opportunity to get seen on ufc shows went away then so did most of those sponsors. I see the ufc's point. If you want to advertise on the ufc shows them you need to deal with the ufc and pay them instead of sidestepping them by paying fighters a fraction of the money they would be charged. That's just the way the game works.Completely disagree.
No sponsor on earth does so for zero exposure, part of your value to a sponsor is how much you can do for them. It's a balance, they can want to support Fighters all day long but they still have a business to run.
Zuffa was upset fighters had income they couldn't get a,piece of, that is why they take millions and millions from the Reebok deal and say it is for administrative fees.Then how is that every athlete in every other sport can make millions without wearing their sponsors to work? Shoes are the only thing that NBA players can sponsor on the court and they're far from the only sponsor. I'm not sure NFL players can sponsor anything on the field but even if they could wear their own shoes it wouldn't matter becase NFL players don't move shoes like NBA players do. Carwin talked about it on Reddit, the fighters that just sold the space lost their sponsors because the sponsors were only interested in that billboard space. The fighters that built relationships and got themselves sponsored for themselves kept their sponsors because they promoted the brand outside of just the billboard space. Ronda didn't lose MetroPCS when they could no longer put their name on her shorts. It's hilarious that these fighters were crying poverty when it turns out they were supposedly making millions on sponsorships that were based purely on getting time on UFC broadcasts and not themselves.
Guess who gets to have sponsors on their uniform in their chosen professional independent contractor career?
In the UFC are you part of a team or are you an individual in an event?
Do motocross fans complain of bland uniforms?
Man, if only skateboarding adopted a strict uniform code! Think of how much skater clothes you would see instead of all the Reebok fight kits all over the place!
JoeHurley - Let's be honest, these companies didn't sponsor fighters because they wanted to support them. They did it to get seen on ufc shows. They can still support fighters and get exposure but the fact is once the opportunity to get seen on ufc shows went away then so did most of those sponsors. I see the ufc's point. If you want to advertise on the ufc shows them you need to deal with the ufc and pay them instead of sidestepping them by paying fighters a fraction of the money they would be charged. That's just the way the game works.
Good post. Completely agree.
The broadcast belongs to the UFC. They don't have to give the handout to the fighter, but they are kind enough to do so. The fighters want more? All they have to do is go out and get sponsors. Oh, the sponsor doesnt' care about the fighter, rather they want to be on the UFC's broadcast? Well there you go, the sponsor isn't interested in sponsoring the fighter. There really is no reason for the UFC to give their sponsor money tot anyone but themselves, and yet they do.
Calavaro - Put in 20 years, get US$ 20k in sponsor money.
In which universe does that sound reasonable?
A mid tier Bellator fighter should be making that in sponsor pay per fight, easily.
Not even close. Some of the main event fighters in Bellator can be sponsored for less than $1000, and that's with prominent logo placement on their shorts.
I look at it this way. There has to a symbiotic relationship. Zuffa is making money hand over fist for every ppv they put out. How much of that would be possible if there was no such thing as exciting fights or fighters willing to spit blood for the chance to win? Those fighters should be free to accept and rep what ever sponsor they feel like. I do not see a plain old ordinary octagon during ppvs. I see one that is plastered with sponsors. Everything from cell phone providers, movies and beverages. I understand that it's their property and they can choose to have who ever is willing to shell out the money to have their name plastered all over the place. None of this would be possible without the fighters. None of that benefits the fighters. The door is closing quickly on the popularity of the UFC and we will only start seeing more well known names jumping ship as their contracts run out. If the UFC was wise they would start throwing money at fighters. They are reluctant to do so as this would effect their bottom line. Which just goes to show how much they really care about the fighters. Someone should ask Dana how he would feel if they took away his Ferrari and forced him to drive a vw beetle. The bald father would be pretty pissed off.
SinCityHustler -JoeHurley - Let's be honest, these companies didn't sponsor fighters because they wanted to support them. They did it to get seen on ufc shows. They can still support fighters and get exposure but the fact is once the opportunity to get seen on ufc shows went away then so did most of those sponsors. I see the ufc's point. If you want to advertise on the ufc shows them you need to deal with the ufc and pay them instead of sidestepping them by paying fighters a fraction of the money they would be charged. That's just the way the game works.
Good post. Completely agree.
The broadcast belongs to the UFC. They don't have to give the handout to the fighter, but they are kind enough to do so. The fighters want more? All they have to do is go out and get sponsors. Oh, the sponsor doesnt' care about the fighter, rather they want to be on the UFC's broadcast? Well there you go, the sponsor isn't interested in sponsoring the fighter. There really is no reason for the UFC to give their sponsor money tot anyone but themselves, and yet they do.
Apparently you two have a very flimsy grasp of how business works.
He must be a laggard who is failing to adapt.
Failing to adapt to the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I'm all about saying fuck the reebok deal but it makes me sick when guys like him and Tito compare it to slavery.
Gross.
JoeHurley - Let's be honest, these companies didn't sponsor fighters because they wanted to support them. They did it to get seen on ufc shows. They can still support fighters and get exposure but the fact is once the opportunity to get seen on ufc shows went away then so did most of those sponsors. I see the ufc's point. If you want to advertise on the ufc shows them you need to deal with the ufc and pay them instead of sidestepping them by paying fighters a fraction of the money they would be charged. That's just the way the game works.Agree to a certain extent but there are sponsors who support fighters above and beyond a business relationship.
Giblert is always talking about his original sponsors, kelvin Gastelum sponsor gave him his boat to live in.
Fighters were always talking about sponsors paying for training camps etc
Bilge Water -SinCityHustler -JoeHurley - Let's be honest, these companies didn't sponsor fighters because they wanted to support them. They did it to get seen on ufc shows. They can still support fighters and get exposure but the fact is once the opportunity to get seen on ufc shows went away then so did most of those sponsors. I see the ufc's point. If you want to advertise on the ufc shows them you need to deal with the ufc and pay them instead of sidestepping them by paying fighters a fraction of the money they would be charged. That's just the way the game works.
Good post. Completely agree.
The broadcast belongs to the UFC. They don't have to give the handout to the fighter, but they are kind enough to do so. The fighters want more? All they have to do is go out and get sponsors. Oh, the sponsor doesnt' care about the fighter, rather they want to be on the UFC's broadcast? Well there you go, the sponsor isn't interested in sponsoring the fighter. There really is no reason for the UFC to give their sponsor money tot anyone but themselves, and yet they do.
Apparently you two have a very flimsy grasp of how business works.
I own a successful real estate company, but I am open to you explaining how business works. I'm always open to listen to those who know more than I do. How exactly is it, that business works?
SinCityHustler -Lol I was waiting for this post hahaa.Bilge Water -SinCityHustler -JoeHurley - Let's be honest, these companies didn't sponsor fighters because they wanted to support them. They did it to get seen on ufc shows. They can still support fighters and get exposure but the fact is once the opportunity to get seen on ufc shows went away then so did most of those sponsors. I see the ufc's point. If you want to advertise on the ufc shows them you need to deal with the ufc and pay them instead of sidestepping them by paying fighters a fraction of the money they would be charged. That's just the way the game works.
Good post. Completely agree.
The broadcast belongs to the UFC. They don't have to give the handout to the fighter, but they are kind enough to do so. The fighters want more? All they have to do is go out and get sponsors. Oh, the sponsor doesnt' care about the fighter, rather they want to be on the UFC's broadcast? Well there you go, the sponsor isn't interested in sponsoring the fighter. There really is no reason for the UFC to give their sponsor money tot anyone but themselves, and yet they do.
Apparently you two have a very flimsy grasp of how business works.
I own a successful real estate company, but I am open to you explaining how business works. I'm always open to listen to those who know more than I do. How exactly is it, that business works?
chicagosmma -Calavaro - Put in 20 years, get US$ 20k in sponsor money.
In which universe does that sound reasonable?
A mid tier Bellator fighter should be making that in sponsor pay per fight, easily.Not even close. Some of the main event fighters in Bellator can be sponsored for less than $1000, and that's with prominent logo placement on their shorts.
Dynamic Fastener pays 5k for a no name fighter per fight. That's 1 sponsor. Add a few more and you're there.
It's not rocket science.
Shiloh -SinCityHustler -Lol I was waiting for this post hahaa.Bilge Water -SinCityHustler -JoeHurley - Let's be honest, these companies didn't sponsor fighters because they wanted to support them. They did it to get seen on ufc shows. They can still support fighters and get exposure but the fact is once the opportunity to get seen on ufc shows went away then so did most of those sponsors. I see the ufc's point. If you want to advertise on the ufc shows them you need to deal with the ufc and pay them instead of sidestepping them by paying fighters a fraction of the money they would be charged. That's just the way the game works.
Good post. Completely agree.
The broadcast belongs to the UFC. They don't have to give the handout to the fighter, but they are kind enough to do so. The fighters want more? All they have to do is go out and get sponsors. Oh, the sponsor doesnt' care about the fighter, rather they want to be on the UFC's broadcast? Well there you go, the sponsor isn't interested in sponsoring the fighter. There really is no reason for the UFC to give their sponsor money tot anyone but themselves, and yet they do.
Apparently you two have a very flimsy grasp of how business works.
I own a successful real estate company, but I am open to you explaining how business works. I'm always open to listen to those who know more than I do. How exactly is it, that business works?
I'm beginning to believe he isn't coming back to explain
A. basic business principals
B. advanced business concepts
C. tax strategy
D. expansion and growth.
I'm in the middle of a business development class, and it's really interesting, particularly given my field. The wife is really into it as well, as we prepare to go more internet based and develop affiliate partners. I've got a ton of questions I want to ask and bounce off our resident business expert, but I'm beginning to believe, his mom may have grounded him, and locked him off the internet.
Oh well, such is life. If it seems too good to be true, it generally is.
Lol man you are like a master these days lol. Its always so brutal hahahah