best mma ground fighter

1.Mino
2.Saku

Mino

Tito and Chuck vote for Randy.

"I want to see Fedor vs Hughes "

Are you interested in seeing Matt Hughes dead?

dell = poop

Yoshida, by far.

Yoshida nearly got triangled by Silva .. If that was Busta he'd be toast.

"Sakuraba, he can fight on top AND on his back. also, it's interesting ppl mentioned Newton yet no sign of Sakuraba, considering Sakuraba completely tooled with Newton and became the only one to submit him in MMA."

He beat Newton, but he didn't tool him.

p4p/middleweight - tie between Sak and Busta

heavy - Mino

Minotauro

Yoshida will crush Bustamante at will. Silva's triangle had absolutely zero damage on Yoshida. Still, Silva's grappling skills are far far above those of Royce, Rickson, and Royler.

Dennis Hallman should definitely be mentioned here.


Hallman: 15 submission wins; 0 submission losses

Nog: 13 sub wins, 0 sub losses

Bustamante: 4 sub wins, 0 sub losses

Newton: 9 sub wins, 2 sub losses

Horn: 36 sub wins, 5 sub losses

Roque

Who is the best at subs and gnp?

I think maybe Frank back in the day.

Also Barnett, BJ, and Sakurai can do steady damage with both and/or have finished with both.

Imagine a HW with Fedor's GNP and Mino's subs...