Dean subbed Marquardt, Saulo and Cacareco. He beat Pe De Pano on points.
Roger subbed Shinji Aoiki, Fabricio Werdum, Xande Ribeiro and Jacare.
Which is the more impressive run?
I'd have to say Im leaning more towards Roger.
Although Dean's subs were over diverse competitiors such as a Pancrase guy, a BJJ expert and a unique grizzled SOB in Cacareco.
Roger primarily beat BJJ guys but he tapped them all with RNCs!
Come on.
You will see when Roger taps Dean at the next superfight.
Good points, Ghost, but you overlooked the fact that Dean has mad superhuman resistance to RNC. Pi De Pano had him in one for several minutes and Dean wouldn't tap. That will be an awesome match.
The various subs by Dean give him the edge personally, but roger has such a great name that you've got to give him massive props.
Roger easily had the better performance. Although Dean did have an amazing run in the absolute, he did nothing in his weight class in 2003. Roger won both his weight class and the absolute. He won every match by submission. Cacareco verbally submitted by refusing to continue his match with Roger. 8 for 8 in the tournie. All by submission. How can you top that?
"Good points, Ghost, but you overlooked the fact that Dean has mad superhuman resistance to RNC. Pi De Pano had him in one for several minutes and Dean wouldn't tap."
I thought it was a side choke?
Dont forget Jean Jaques tapathon back in AD II.
jj was awesome. But he did not sweep both divisions the way Roger did.
Roger beat Jacare in the finals who was having a great run too
Helwig, Dean told me it was a RNC, IIRC.
Well, Roger tapped (on the same day)
So I think Lister will be tooled at ADCC 2007
Really? Thats odd I coulda sworn the series was like a 3 minute side choke attempt by PDP and then Dean escaped and took his back when points were counting and won.
A RNC that is sunk is very hard to just tolerate even for Mean Dean.
I realize that Roger had the perfect run overall. Taking both his weight and the absolute all by sub and beating some big names. He had the anti-Arona run.
I was moreso talking about his run in the absolute vs Dean's. Could they beat the guys that the other beat and so forth.
You might be right Helwig..i did a piece on Dean for FIGHTSPORT and need to check it..he told me he looked up at the monitor and saw himself being choked by PDP which I thought was funny.
Either way, Roger vs. Dean is going to be as good a Superfight as ADCC has ever had. My personal favorite guy to watch is Jacare, who is so smooth and technically sounds..amazing how Roger ran through him and those other cats.
what they both accomplished is remarkable. they both tapped out incredibly gifted athletes.
roger won his weight class and the absolute in dominating fashion, so i'll give him the nod.
it will be an amazing superfight and i doubt either guy will tool the other. they're both too good for that.
Lister was VERY unexpected, with a 20 seed in the ABSOLUTE draw, ROger was 1 or 2 and everyone knew he had been preparing to do this.
Equal but different? A surprise out of no where, versus doing exactly what you said you were gonna do...