Bisping on McGregor's cardio problems.

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“What people want to know is, what’s Conor’s fucking problem, cause the guy has a problem,” he said. “He can’t go the fucking distance.”

“It’s kind of an issue, if you can’t go the fucking distance,” Bisping continued. “In the first Nate Diaz fight, what cost him is that he was tired, simple as that. He took a good shot, and that obviously diminishes your gas tank, but he was kind of gassed. And in the rematch, even though he won – and I gave him the rematch, he won the rematch fair and square – but still he was absolutely gassed in that, and it was getting close. The longer the fight went, the more Nate Diaz was getting back into the fight. If you remember, the first round was a white wash. The first round was Conor all over him. The longer the fight went, the more Diaz came into the picture. Same [in the Mayweather fight], the fight started great, but he was fucked! Round seven, eight, nine, he was a shell of himself.”

“It ain’t anything to do with the pace [of the fight]. It’s very, very simply. You know what it is? If you look at the social media, he’s there and he looks great. You’ve got The Mac Life, you’ve got the [UFC] Performance Institute, he’s doing this exercise bag with nine or ten people around him going ‘come on Conor, whoa, yeah, you’re the fucking man, woo!’ Going great. That’s awesome, that’s great, but that doesn’t get you in shape for a fight. You know what you didn’t see? It was him out on the streets running. Running! You’ve got to run! That is the best thing ever for cardio. That is the best thing ever for a fight. MMA or boxing, you have to run. But of course, nobody likes to run. Running’s a pain in the ass, running sucks. Running is lonely […] But you’ve got to run. I don’t know, maybe he did run, but from what I’ve seen on social media, I didn’t see him out there doing any running.”

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Bisping knows a thing or two about cardio and I think he's right on.

Biking, rowing...it's all great. But I think those are just more comfortable substitutes for real road work. 

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Bisping knows

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bisbing is correct 

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Jogging is also a great way to ruin your knees.  Conor was doing a lot of bike work which you think would have been beneficial from a cardio perspective.

Honestly, I think it’s more of a mental hurdle that he has to overcome more than anything else. 

 

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Nonsense.

Juan Diaz had THE BEST cardio in ALL of Boxing. It was legendary. Couldn't match his output. 

Know what he did? He used the stairmaster. Never ran once.

Pretty sure when BJ Penn was in the best form of his life he did no running. In fact, I know he never, because he stated that his S&C sessions with the Marv Bros. were not only the first of the day, but that they were that tiring that he had to go to bed after them and miss the rest of the day due to being exhausted from them. Look how he turned out.

And to say that Rowing isn't as hard as Running? Go and Row 10 miles and run 10 miles, then tell me which one was easiest.

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Jogging is also a great way to ruin your knees.  Conor was doing a lot of bike work which you think would have been beneficial from a cardio perspective.

Honestly, I think it’s more of a mental hurdle that he has to overcome more than anything else. 

 

Interesting perspective. And with Conor’s knee issues, you might be right - I’ve heard that take before, at any rate. 

I haven’t ran competitively since high school cross country twenty plus years ago and I’ve never rowed or biked for cardio…

But running definately tests your intestinal fortitude in a way that I can’t quickly draw parallels to. You can quit whenever you want and there are definately pain thresholds to crossover over any respectable distance. Breaking through those walls is a battle and a true test of will - not saying he’s not getting that elsewhere in training though. 

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Nonsense.

Juan Diaz had THE BEST cardio in ALL of Boxing. It was legendary. Couldn't match his output. 

Know what he did? He used the stairmaster. Never ran once.

Pretty sure when BJ Penn was in the best form of his life he did no running. In fact, I know he never, because he stated that his S&C sessions with the Marv Bros. were not only the first of the day, but that they were that tiring that he had to go to bed after them and miss the rest of the day due to being exhausted from them. Look how he turned out.

And to say that Rowing isn't as hard as Running? Go and Row 10 miles and run 10 miles, then tell me which one was easiest.

I'm not sure the question is ease...but compatibility. 

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Nonsense.

Juan Diaz had THE BEST cardio in ALL of Boxing. It was legendary. Couldn't match his output. 

Know what he did? He used the stairmaster. Never ran once.

Pretty sure when BJ Penn was in the best form of his life he did no running. In fact, I know he never, because he stated that his S&C sessions with the Marv Bros. were not only the first of the day, but that they were that tiring that he had to go to bed after them and miss the rest of the day due to being exhausted from them. Look how he turned out.

And to say that Rowing isn't as hard as Running? Go and Row 10 miles and run 10 miles, then tell me which one was easiest.

I'm not sure the question is ease...but compatibility. 

Rowing, or the effects of it, would simulate a fight. Therefore it'd be better for fighting than running.

You go hard on that thing and EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY is SMOKED. Period.

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Malvert the Janitor -
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Nonsense.

Juan Diaz had THE BEST cardio in ALL of Boxing. It was legendary. Couldn't match his output. 

Know what he did? He used the stairmaster. Never ran once.

Pretty sure when BJ Penn was in the best form of his life he did no running. In fact, I know he never, because he stated that his S&C sessions with the Marv Bros. were not only the first of the day, but that they were that tiring that he had to go to bed after them and miss the rest of the day due to being exhausted from them. Look how he turned out.

And to say that Rowing isn't as hard as Running? Go and Row 10 miles and run 10 miles, then tell me which one was easiest.

I'm not sure the question is ease...but compatibility. 

Rowing, or the effects of it, would simulate a fight. Therefore it'd be better for fighting than running.

You go hard on that thing and EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY is SMOKED. Period.

Conor does all that. And yet...

It wasn't his mind that was huffing and puffing in the nineth and tenth rounds out there. He couldn't get oxygen where he needed it, his body was failing again. 

And I can't imagine there are very many guys as in shape and hard going on a rower than Conor. He's seems to have made it a corner stone of his training. 

A good run allows you to keep the heart rate elevated over as many miles you have in front of you. Can you really keep the heart rate suspended for as long on a rower without your muscles get smoked first?

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Nobody is equal. People metabolize energy differently, and have different cardiovascular systems. I have no doubt that Conor puts in the work, trains hard as he can to work on his cardio. It doesn’t matter. It’s inherent in him that he just metabolizes energy quickly and is left with no energy after a round or two. I really don’t think he could work any harder.

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JOB - Nobody is equal. People metabolize energy differently, and have different cardiovascular systems. I have no doubt that Conor puts in the work, trains hard as he can to work on his cardio. It doesn't matter. It's inherent in him that he just metabolizes energy quickly and is left with no energy after a round or two. I really don't think he could work any harder.

This.

"But Running cures EVERY cardio problem, JOB! Don't you know that?!"

Conor will NEVER have cardio. It's just the way it is.

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He just needs to spend more time building his aerobic base. It doesn’t matter if it’s with a bike, running, or a stairmaster. LSD takes years of consistent training to get yourself in peak aerobic shape. The anaerobic you can get there much quicker. He needs to focus more on daily aerobic training and less on anaerobic.

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william795 - He just needs to spend more time building his aerobic base. It doesn't matter if it's with a bike, running, or a stairmaster. LSD takes years of consistent training to get yourself in peak aerobic shape. The anaerobic you can get there much quicker. He needs to focus more on daily aerobic training and less on anaerobic.

What would a good ratio be?

Like 45 mins x3 per week? How much time dvoted to other forms of conditioning etc?

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JOB - Nobody is equal. People metabolize energy differently, and have different cardiovascular systems. I have no doubt that Conor puts in the work, trains hard as he can to work on his cardio. It doesn't matter. It's inherent in him that he just metabolizes energy quickly and is left with no energy after a round or two. I really don't think he could work any harder.

This.

"But Running cures EVERY cardio problem, JOB! Don't you know that?!"

Conor will NEVER have cardio. It's just the way it is.

I'm not sure there's a whole lot of science behind that. 

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I love the UG strength and conditioning coaches. Good read.

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Mark Schultz said his VO2 max was very low, despite all of his conditioning training, and that he didn’t start winning matches until they shortened them from nine to six minutes.

“I had a max VO2 problem. That’s the maximum volume of oxygen your body can consume. Mine’s actually the lowest ever measured in the history of any Olympic champion. When matches were nine minutes long, I was getting beat. When they shortened matches to six minutes, I started winning.”