He should be doing eccentric cardiac hypertrophy, which is keeping your HR between 120-150 BPM for an extended period of time (at least 30, more like 45-90 min). You can achieve this through a variety of means as long as you keep your HR within that limit. It makes the left ventricle fill completely up with blood, and if you do this for an extended period of time - it makes it bigger.
It’s the easiest way to go from couch potato to runner, and most people do it through running. It doesn’t mean you can’t do it through other means. It results in a lower resting HR, lower working heart rates, and just makes it easier for the heart to pump blood, period.
However, this technique is usually meant to be used in the off season usually between camps, not when you have 2 months to prepare for a fight. People talking about it taking time to develop these systems are right it doesn’t happen overnight.
This is a technique Joel Jamieson uses, the guy is a scientist, and he’s the strength and conditioning coach for Mighty Mouse. This shit is straight out of his book and based off science that has been around for a long time. You can all interpret that how you want.
Kansas City Shuffle - He should be doing eccentric cardiac hypertrophy, which is keeping your HR between 120-150 BPM for an extended period of time (at least 30, more like 45-90 min). You can achieve this through a variety of means as long as you keep your HR within that limit. It makes the left ventricle fill completely up with blood, and if you do this for an extended period of time - it makes it bigger.
It’s the easiest way to go from couch potato to runner, and most people do it through running. It doesn’t mean you can’t do it through other means. It results in a lower resting HR, lower working heart rates, and just makes it easier for the heart to pump blood, period.
However, this technique is usually meant to be used in the off season usually between camps, not when you have 2 months to prepare for a fight. People talking about it taking time to develop these systems are right it doesn’t happen overnight.
This is a technique Joel Jamieson uses, the guy is a scientist, and he’s the strength and conditioning coach for Mighty Mouse. This shit is straight out of his book and based off science that has been around for a long time. You can all interpret that how you want.
Wasn't Conor running on an underwater treadmill for the Mayweather fight?
Indeed he was. On that pre-fight show they showed that, and mentioned he doesn’t like to run since he had a knee operation. And come on, it’s old school thinking. I certainly believe running can indeed be an awesome cardio tool. But it’s not the only one!
He seemed to have done his homework. Poise, skills, trying to figure out the new inside style Floyd was bringing, all that mattered too. And Conor’s got an explosive style that burns more energy. Still he does need better cardio.
As for cycling being bad for cardio… hell no. I’ve never been in better shape and that’s cycling. Ask the Diaz bros. BUT, it’s not practical during a camp as you need 2-3-4-5 hour rides, hills and climbs, etc.
william795 - He just needs to spend more time building his aerobic base. It doesn't matter if it's with a bike, running, or a stairmaster. LSD takes years of consistent training to get yourself in peak aerobic shape. The anaerobic you can get there much quicker. He needs to focus more on daily aerobic training and less on anaerobic.
What would a good ratio be?
Like 45 mins x3 per week? How much time dvoted to other forms of conditioning etc?
I would think 3x/week @ 40 min and then one long run (bike, whatever) @ 60-90min.
Your anaerobic work will come from your sport specific training. Rounds in the gym. No sprints or anything is really needed, imo. Lift weights for strength (nothing high tempo).
Then once you have a fight scheduled and in camp, you can focus on your anaerobic training to peak on fight night.
I didn’t get a chance to read all the posts already on here today when I did mine at work so mine might almost look like I copied off yours.
I t doesn’t seem to be the " trendy " opinion at the moment so I honestly wasn’t expecting someone on here with similar thoughts.
I agree with you in a lot of ways. I probably look at it slightly different but very similar.
These are just my personal opinions I’ve come up with. I don’t have a formal education on this subject or anything.
Hammerstein - Conor lost any cardio he may have had when he started bulking up before the first Diaz fight. He seems to have nearly abandoned cardio in favour of muscle, which is just making him gas even faster in the cage.
This. His cardio seemed fine at 145. I think it would have been bettee for him to fight Floyd at 147
Mercenary Tao - Conor doesn't like to run? He grew up playing football 3/4 times a week. Training twice a week followed my a match on a Saturday or Sunday.
Yes he’s fucked up his knee but still doing road work. I’ve said it before multiple times on here. Conors cardio is mostly mental. If a fight is going his way he can go on for days. See his early fights and the holloway fight. The first diaz fight fucked him up mentally and I think it will always be there now.
I sort of agree. Sort of.
Just taking conor out of it altogether I think theirs a general trend with a lot of fighters of not going as hard as they should with their striking training.
I’m going to use the example here of Muay Thai fighters. As I’ve already said in another post I think it’s important to have a good base cardio.
Thai fighters have that with their roadwork. But the other thing they do is hellacious padwork.
In the back of a lot of fighters minds I think they know how taxing padwork can be and tend to not go 100%. If you train mits as hard as the thai’s do I doubt you will have cardio issues. It’s as hard as any training their is. It’s like a tebaita without the rest Combination 1-2 second break as hard as you can for 5x5’s. And the most important thing is it’s creating efecincy in one of the key elements of fighting.
What thai fighter in their prime has cardio issues. None. It’s not even a issue. Granted most of them are 150 pounds or less but if you’re a bigger guy and can do the same then chances are you have excellent cardio.
To bring this back to bisbing, I garentee he’s one of these monsters that goes hard as fuck on the pads. Same with AKA. I bet javier makes his guys go 100% on the pads, all excellent cardio.
Then look at Conor ( I’m a huge fan and I’m only going off what I’ve seen ) tapping away on the bag ( in the open workout) and his whole team cheering him on. In a lot of gyms that’s unacceptable performance. Mind you I do realise fighters don’t go 100% at the open workouts so I may be totally wrong. I just think that may be a possibility.
You're all forgetting Conor's biggest reason for gassing out. It is genetic.
He's constantly carrying a boa constrictor between his legs. That makes balance more difficult and means he's carrying an extra 20 pounds min of non usable flesh.
Basically the only reason he's ever lost is because he's got too much hog.
Read somewhere that Conor runs 5 miles every morning.
Anyway, the difference between rowing, cycling, and running is that in rowing and cycling there are breaks. You can continue on gliding during cycling, and when you row, it’s one big movement followed by a very short rest (the contraction).
Running is consistent and no real rests.
I’m not saying it’s the best thing for cardiovascular, but it is really good. I imagine the stair master is similar.
Kansas City Shuffle - He should be doing eccentric cardiac hypertrophy, which is keeping your HR between 120-150 BPM for an extended period of time (at least 30, more like 45-90 min). You can achieve this through a variety of means as long as you keep your HR within that limit. It makes the left ventricle fill completely up with blood, and if you do this for an extended period of time - it makes it bigger.
It’s the easiest way to go from couch potato to runner, and most people do it through running. It doesn’t mean you can’t do it through other means. It results in a lower resting HR, lower working heart rates, and just makes it easier for the heart to pump blood, period.
However, this technique is usually meant to be used in the off season usually between camps, not when you have 2 months to prepare for a fight. People talking about it taking time to develop these systems are right it doesn’t happen overnight.
This is a technique Joel Jamieson uses, the guy is a scientist, and he’s the strength and conditioning coach for Mighty Mouse. This shit is straight out of his book and based off science that has been around for a long time. You can all interpret that how you want.
william795 - He just needs to spend more time building his aerobic base. It doesn't matter if it's with a bike, running, or a stairmaster. LSD takes years of consistent training to get yourself in peak aerobic shape. The anaerobic you can get there much quicker. He needs to focus more on daily aerobic training and less on anaerobic.
What would a good ratio be?
Like 45 mins x3 per week? How much time dvoted to other forms of conditioning etc?
I would think 3x/week @ 40 min and then one long run (bike, whatever) @ 60-90min.
Your anaerobic work will come from your sport specific training. Rounds in the gym. No sprints or anything is really needed, imo. Lift weights for strength (nothing high tempo).
Then once you have a fight scheduled and in camp, you can focus on your anaerobic training to peak on fight night.
I didn’t get a chance to read all the posts already on here today when I did mine at work so mine might almost look like I copied off yours.
I t doesn’t seem to be the " trendy " opinion at the moment so I honestly wasn’t expecting someone on here with similar thoughts.
I agree with you in a lot of ways. I probably look at it slightly different but very similar.
These are just my personal opinions I’ve come up with. I don’t have a formal education on this subject or anything.
The majority of your aerobic training shouldn’t actually be that difficult. Just consumes a bit of time and done consistently. People think every session has to be a killer with you pushing yourself as hard as you can, but that is counterproductive.
Mercenary Tao - Conor doesn't like to run? He grew up playing football 3/4 times a week. Training twice a week followed my a match on a Saturday or Sunday.
Yes he’s fucked up his knee but still doing road work. I’ve said it before multiple times on here. Conors cardio is mostly mental. If a fight is going his way he can go on for days. See his early fights and the holloway fight. The first diaz fight fucked him up mentally and I think it will always be there now.
I sort of agree. Sort of.
Just taking conor out of it altogether I think theirs a general trend with a lot of fighters of not going as hard as they should with their striking training.
I’m going to use the example here of Muay Thai fighters. As I’ve already said in another post I think it’s important to have a good base cardio.
Thai fighters have that with their roadwork. But the other thing they do is hellacious padwork.
In the back of a lot of fighters minds I think they know how taxing padwork can be and tend to not go 100%. If you train mits as hard as the thai’s do I doubt you will have cardio issues. It’s as hard as any training their is. It’s like a tebaita without the rest Combination 1-2 second break as hard as you can for 5x5’s. And the most important thing is it’s creating efecincy in one of the key elements of fighting.
What thai fighter in their prime has cardio issues. None. It’s not even a issue. Granted most of them are 150 pounds or less but if you’re a bigger guy and can do the same then chances are you have excellent cardio.
To bring this back to bisbing, I garentee he’s one of these monsters that goes hard as fuck on the pads. Same with AKA. I bet javier makes his guys go 100% on the pads, all excellent cardio.
Then look at Conor ( I’m a huge fan and I’m only going off what I’ve seen ) tapping away on the bag ( in the open workout) and his whole team cheering him on. In a lot of gyms that’s unacceptable performance. Mind you I do realise fighters don’t go 100% at the open workouts so I may be totally wrong. I just think that may be a possibility.
True, but in Muay Thai there is simply no way the energy expediture is as high as a Boxing match.
In Thia you are practically stationary. In Boxing you are constantly moving.
Mercenary Tao - Conor doesn't like to run? He grew up playing football 3/4 times a week. Training twice a week followed my a match on a Saturday or Sunday.
Yes he’s fucked up his knee but still doing road work. I’ve said it before multiple times on here. Conors cardio is mostly mental. If a fight is going his way he can go on for days. See his early fights and the holloway fight. The first diaz fight fucked him up mentally and I think it will always be there now.
I sort of agree. Sort of.
Just taking conor out of it altogether I think theirs a general trend with a lot of fighters of not going as hard as they should with their striking training.
I’m going to use the example here of Muay Thai fighters. As I’ve already said in another post I think it’s important to have a good base cardio.
Thai fighters have that with their roadwork. But the other thing they do is hellacious padwork.
In the back of a lot of fighters minds I think they know how taxing padwork can be and tend to not go 100%. If you train mits as hard as the thai’s do I doubt you will have cardio issues. It’s as hard as any training their is. It’s like a tebaita without the rest Combination 1-2 second break as hard as you can for 5x5’s. And the most important thing is it’s creating efecincy in one of the key elements of fighting.
What thai fighter in their prime has cardio issues. None. It’s not even a issue. Granted most of them are 150 pounds or less but if you’re a bigger guy and can do the same then chances are you have excellent cardio.
To bring this back to bisbing, I garentee he’s one of these monsters that goes hard as fuck on the pads. Same with AKA. I bet javier makes his guys go 100% on the pads, all excellent cardio.
Then look at Conor ( I’m a huge fan and I’m only going off what I’ve seen ) tapping away on the bag ( in the open workout) and his whole team cheering him on. In a lot of gyms that’s unacceptable performance. Mind you I do realise fighters don’t go 100% at the open workouts so I may be totally wrong. I just think that may be a possibility.
True, but in Muay Thai there is simply no way the energy expediture is as high as a Boxing match.
In Thia you are practically stationary. In Boxing you are constantly moving.
I've found throwing kicks to use way more energy than throwing punches.
I find it amusing that so many posters on this thread disagree with running as the way to increase stamina for BOXING. Having spent quite a bit of time training in a boxing gym, before MMA ever even began here in the USA, I can tell you that any real boxing coach will insist his fighters run, and for good reason. "The legs are the first thing to go" is what they will tell you, running helps prevent this. MMA is not boxing and Boxing is not MMA. Running would be useful for both but it is critical in boxing for endurance.