Nathan Orchard (Black Belt) vs Devhonte Johnson (Blue Belt)
Devhonte won the match 7-0. Some people are complaining he ran the whole match. I don't agree with that opinion.
I like to get some unbiased opinions.
Nathan Orchard (Black Belt) vs Devhonte Johnson (Blue Belt)
Devhonte won the match 7-0. Some people are complaining he ran the whole match. I don't agree with that opinion.
I like to get some unbiased opinions.
Looks like wrestling vs. BJJ. Blue belt just doing what he knows.
am I missing something? is this a sub only tourney? No points? but it says he lost by points...
I stopped watching after 2 1/2 minutes.. I saw enough to know that is a terrible strategy for the black belt in a no gi tournement..
That was terrible. He just gave up the takedowns and then stood back up. I couldn't even watch the whole thing it was so bad.
nathan played some terrible strategy in that match, shouldn't have kept standing up. blue belt was engaging. only saw one time early on where he stood up out of guard and backed out, other than that he wasn't stalling.
Yea for the most part the guy followed him to the ground every time, tried to pass and attacked the back more then once. Guy didn't run really at all, it's sad these guys can be so good at grappling but in the grand scheme of grappling they are still extremely limited unless people play right into their game.
Nathan is good and will learn. He really should have no complaints. The guy didn't stall and even pulled guard himself. Only at the bitter end when the match was already done did Nathan pull guard and actually establish anything. I think it was a bit of Glover syndrome expecting the guy to play his game and when he didn't it was frustrating. I wonder if Nathan was trying to work on other stuff because his rubber guard is high level and he armbars black belts from it but seemed to not want to try it. Whole match seemed odd.
that black belt sounds like a real cry baby
I made it to :46. Backed up past the outside of the mat by a BB with an upright WADDLE and you as a wrestler never thought to change elevation, shoot, and plant him?
I've competed against Devhonte before back when I was a blue belt. All I can say about him is that he is an exceptional talent. Has trained for less than 3 years. Never wrestled a day in his life either before bjj training. Was actually a baseball player in high school. What's more impressive about him than his bjj game is his humble and positive attitude he carries himself with. Proud to call the guy a friend of mine. Congrats to Devhonte for a quality win against a quality opponent!
he definitely seems to have a better attitude than the BB
I don't really have an opinion on the match, but as mentioned, Devhonte is VERY good, has a great attitude and is going to have a big future. (I've rolled with him.)
1) if you're going to cry when you lose by points, don't enter point tournaments.
2) blue belt wasn't stalling. He wasn't being a dumbass and playing right into black belts game. Black belt acted all lackadaisical the fist five minutes then looks pissed off the last thirty seconds. Where was that drive in the first part of the match?
The comments on that video are delusional. The arrogance of even the post saying he "lost". Bro, you did LOSE, the clamoring of fanboys doesn't change the fact you chose to enter a the dreaded points tournament. There are so many qualifiers when people talk about their losses: "oh, well the guy I lost to got gold" "if I could heelhook" "if I could punch" super annoying. We all lose, suck it up.
Here is what I saw with the Black Belt -
1.) Got positionally controlled every which way
2.) Could not keep up in the scrambles
3.) Allows opponent to breakaway from guard. If you can't keep him there and do something with it, then how good is your guard?
4.) Got his hips dominated and shut down
5.) Has horrible footwork while engaging in the stand up grappling, and really has no clue about setting up a takedown. Running at your opponent in a retarded way (especially at the end) is not setting anything up.
6.) Turning you back while standing (Donkey guard?) will have dire consequences
7.) Assumed the opponent was going to follow him into playing is game. When the Blue Belt didn't follow the game plan, Black Belt got a grappling lesson.
8.) Blue Belt jumped guard. Black Belt didn't know what to do - didn't even attempt to pass. Black Belt got rolled over and the Blue Belt started to work him.
All in all, a great performance by the Blue Belt, and the Black Belt........well.................
He's a 10th Planet Black Belt btw, haven't seen that mentioned yet. I see all the stuff complaining about points and shit, so why accept the invite to a tournament that has points?
When I saw his post I was expecting some Joe Camacho vs. Toby Grear shit. Where Toby got a cheap takedown and stalled his way to victory.
But this was nothing of the sort. Nathan got completely shut down by an engaging and impressive blue belt. As far as I'm concerned it wasn't even close. So when Nathan writes "So I "lost" by points today" I find that embarrasing on his part. Give Devhonte his credit. He earned it!
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Just read the comments on his fb page. Shouldn't have done it. Some serious dick riding going on there. Disgusting.
It's not the blue belts fault that the black belt doesn't know how to do a double leg.
I dunno, with all that talk about 10th planet being for MMA, you'd think they'd be better at keeping people on the ground.
Yeah I don't know what he's complaining about. He got beat. Position BEFORE submission right? You can't bitch about nobody getting submitted if your ass can't get to a position to attempt a submission. He lost.... Plain and simple.
There are some serious fanboy comments in that guys post. The blue belt CLEARLY won. He took him down, swept him, almost passed (or did pass if the ref gave points), went for an anaconda and people are saying he stalled?
What was the Nathan dude doing? I was acting like he was as good as Jeff Glover but the skill set didn't seem to match at all. I was going to comment on his FB post but we aren't FB friends. Is this vid on YT?