Bookies: Boxing still the champion of combat sport

 



 






Bookies: Boxing still the champion of combat sports







 



Mixed Martial Arts was a mere twinkle in the sporting public’s eye. It was November 12, 1993 and UFC rolled out its first event (UFC 1: The Beginning), an eight-man round-robin event, that invaded McNichols Sports Arena in Denver. Two thousand and eight hundred patrons showed up, while the event notched 86,000 pay-per-views buys.



In the humble beginnings of an emerging conglomerate, boxing/MMA oddsmaker Joey Oddessa held court at an upstate New York strip club, making odds off the cuff and taking bets. Ken Shamrock, one of MMA’s early superstars, was going off at 3-to-1. The eventual winner, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu master Royce Gracie, paid off at 10-to-1.



Even in its nascent stages, Oddessa saw MMA’s crossover appeal. The scantily clad women gyrating on poles were afterthoughts.



“There was nobody watching the dancers,” Oddessa recalls.



Since The Beginning, MMA has graduated from strip club bookmaking. The UFC, run by Zuffa, LLC and Dana White, has been at the forefront of the MMA explosion. Its “Ultimate Fighter” reality television program, which debuted in 2005, has introduced future MMA stars to the masses while becoming a feeder system for their pay-per-view cards.



Headliners like Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell and Quinton “Rampage” Jackson became known personalities with drawing power at the box office and sportsbooks.



This past Saturday’s UFC 116, headlined by the Lesnar-Shane Carwin heavyweight title match, sold out the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas and grabbed more than one million North American pay-per-view buys. Some experts proclaimed it was the most anticipated bout in MMA history.



The sport’s growing popularity, especially among the younger male demographic, has made it a more accepted betting entity. However, in the combat sports realm, boxing remains the golden goose.



“It will take some years for the actual betting of the UFC/MMA to eclipse boxing, although more individual wagers come in on the UFC,” Oddessa said. “There are a lot more smaller, less lucrative bets on the UFC.”



Those smaller wagers drive MMA betting. Once the persona non grata in the Vegas gaming community, the interest in the sport has forced old-school casinos to take notice of the new kid in class.



According to Jeff Stoneback, Race and Sportsbook Manager at the Mirage Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, MMA’s appeal is its ability to capture an ever broadening demographic.



“Boxing, on the big bouts, we’ll take some larger wagers,” Stoneback said. “On the UFC, we’ll write smaller tickets, but there will be a greater number of bettors.”



Those bettors, mostly young men with less disposable income than high rollers, tend to risk smaller sums. Those $20 bets are pale in comparison to the thousands wagered by the big fish on a boxing mega-fight. Stoneback said a boxing superfight, like the May 1 clash between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley, will outdraw Lesnar-Carwin at the windows 10-to-1.



Much of that disparity boils down to the economics of the respective sports and its fans.



“A boxing main event like Mayweather-Mosley will tend to have higher wager limits, which would increase the volume simply because you have one guy making $20 million,” Oddessa said. “In the UFC, a main event guy could make $1 million, making the books less comfortable to take higher wagers on the individual fighters.”


 

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Added Stoneback: “At this point, being that {MMA fans} are younger, they are not fully versed on gambling as the older boxer fans. They are more into betting on the fight and picking the winner.”



Economics aside, boxing is the more book-friendly sport. Twelve-round championship bouts create 24 round prop bets alone. Result props like decision, KO/disqualification, draw and over/under foster greater intrigue in betting circles. MMA props, which do include over/under among other props at the online books, have not exploded.



“You tend to find smaller action on MMA because there are more ways to finish a fight than boxing,” Oddessa said. “In boxing, you get more steady two-way action, whereas the MMA props are not as profitable.”



Stoneback said the Mirage did not offer props on the Lesnar-Carwin main event. The winner/loser wagers on that bout and several of its undercard contests spurred enough interest at the windows. That tells part of the story.



While online sportsbooks offer props for major MMA events (Sportsbetting.com, for instance, offered 24 possible outcomes), MMA props tend to be riskier plays for the books.



Case in point is Mirko Cro Cop, the striking specialist who won UFC 115’s “Submission of the Night” when he defeated Pat Barry with a third-round rear naked choke. Cro Cop only had three submissions in 36 professional contests heading into the Barry bout, thus the odds on Cro Cop to win that honor were astronomical leaving sportsbooks paying out big on submission prop.



Hiccups asides, MMA is becoming a more viable betting option. The sport does not have a star on the Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao level, but personalities like Lesnar and a devoted fan base have forced sportsbooks to embrace MMA.



“MMA is the fastest growing spectator and wagering sport today, without a shadow of a doubt,” Oddessa said.



Around the ring



Shane Mosley is making his ring return following his unanimous decision loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. on May 1. Mosley takes on Sergio Mora in a junior middleweight bout on September 18 from the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Mora won the first season of “The Contender” reality series and is a former junior middleweight title-holder. Mosley, 38, is a former three-division champion and future hall-of-famer. Mora-Mosley will headline a pay-per-view card that might feature Saul Alvarez and Victor Ortiz in separate bouts, according to ESPN.com’s Dan Rafael.



Last Monday, Manny Pacquaio was sworn in as a Congressman in his native Philippines. His political duties, however, will not preclude his boxing career from moving forward. Pacquiao is expected to fight November 13. No word yet on whether Mayweather will be the opponent. 

good stuff as always!

Oddessa - “MMA is the fastest growing spectator and wagering sport today, without a shadow of a doubt,” Oddessa said.


Boxing fans will not appreciate the truth.


“A boxing main event like Mayweather-Mosley will tend to have higher wager limits, which would increase the volume simply because you have one guy making $20 million,” Oddessa said. “In the UFC, a main event guy could make $1 million, making the books less comfortable to take higher wagers on the individual fighters.”

I don't get it, can someone explain this to me?

every fight is always supposed to be the last big fight,boxing isnt going anywhere.New stars will come around when the old ones retire.The cycle hasnt ended in a hundred years,why would it end now?

Im a huge fan of boxing,mma has peaked and cant possibly get any bigger and boxing is still pretty strong these days

If you make $8000 to win, what is stopping you from betting 20k on the other guy and throwing the fight?

Mister Saigon - don't have to read it. Bookies make more money off boxing cause there are a lot more fights and it is very international.

Thats all they care about.

In America, boxing is dead after Mayweather/Pacman.


I thought boxing was gonna be dead after Mayweather De La Hoya...?

Tad Ghostal - 
“A boxing main event like Mayweather-Mosley will tend to have higher wager limits, which would increase the volume simply because you have one guy making $20 million,” Oddessa said. “In the UFC, a main event guy could make $1 million, making the books less comfortable to take higher wagers on the individual fighters.”

I don't get it, can someone explain this to me?


Or hell, even if you are getting a cool million, you could get 200 friends to bet 50k a peice on your opponent and just tell them to give you 20k for throwing the fight.

Good article, thanks for posting it.

Joey, what were the odds for Coleman/Mo Smith? 5-1? 10-1?

FrateTrane_MaimedShane - 
Mister Saigon - don't have to read it. Bookies make more money off boxing cause there are a lot more fights and it is very international.

Thats all they care about.

In America, boxing is dead after Mayweather/Pacman.


I thought boxing was gonna be dead after Mayweather De La Hoya...?



WiWiWiWINNER!!!!

 ^ actually...you would be suprised what avenues the internet and sattlelite TV has opened up for sports...



NFL sunday ticket and Direct/Dish TV easily caused and will continue to cause a rise in volume...despite it being around forever...but none like surge of MMA interest at the moment...



The article was written from a wagering standpoint.



Since the start of TUF......I could say same about  such obscure sports as Bullriding,  Competive Eating , Nascar Cycling, Darts,  even Little League World Series.....all write huge handle..low limit but largedifferences between amt of bets and the size of bets. ......longevity will determine MMA's desitiny...like the above...



In 2003-2004 the Las Vegas Casinos wouldnt even offer MMA....but if people can watch it..and bet it...they will..and if Casinos/sportsbooks keep responsible limits in relation to salary....the integrity of the sport will always remain intact..



Even amatuer wrestling that has been around forever has now seen a resurgance and become 'mainstream' in that ESPN covers it primetime weekends during March Madness along with midwestern networks......its volume has doubled year after year since 1st odds globally were placed on the 2003 NCAA Championships  in that sattlelite TV opened households to thousands of new homes....  ADCC will double volume wise for the sportsbooks next go around...so who can predict where the spot is headed...I can only state the obvious now... 9 years ago I quit a job that people would kill for for less pay...smart people said I was nuts throwing a cake job away  and banking on future of MMA and Boxing.... because 10 years ago...Boxing wagering WAS  dead..



anyways thats the way it is my man...if we had Biff Almanac we'd all be genius...





  

 “There are a lot more smaller, less lucrative bets on the UFC.”



WWE fans dont have the funds to bet big.

ttt

bsrizpac - lol@it being dead. So gone that after brock vs carwin this forum was flooded by ali vs. smokin joe / tyson references. LOL


Wow, you don't see the ironicalness of your post?

Your examples are themselves 20 and 40 years old! HA!

Joey,

1. Thanks for coming on here and laying the truth down for the past 8 years.

2. What is the Largest bet you have seen a sports book take on an MMA bet? Most have low limits, so I am curious.

I'm pretty sure more people are willing to bet on a boxing match, where there's less likely for an upset, compared to MMA. The sport is extremely unpredictable and hard for any people to bet large amounts on money where something unexpected may happen. Anyone could have guessed people would put down more money on say someone like Mayweather knowing he will beat Juan Marquez rather than Brock knowing he may get KO by Shane, and very hard to predict.

Because MMA fans that hate boxing don't EVEN WATCH THE SPORT!

You've had Pacquiao vs Cotto, Kessler vs Froch, Vazquez vs Marquez quadrilogy, Lopez vs Mtagawa, Perez vs Mares, Chavez Jr. vs Duddy, which have all been WARS recently.

Haters gonna hate. There is nothing that equals the intrigue of boxing.

legbender - Joey,



1. Thanks for coming on here and laying the truth down for the past 8 years.



2. What is the Largest bet you have seen a sports book take on an MMA bet? Most have low limits, so I am curious.

I cant remember the exact amount but a few years back when Yves Edwards fought Mark Hominick someone banked big time on Hominick.