Werdum showing he incapable of adapting to fight situation - i.e. actually winning the standup yet loses the fight by getting his td attempts stuffed time & again
Werdum showing his wrestling sucks - not really a surprise but fucking hell you'd have hoped by now it would have improved
Werdum showing he has no gas tank
Overeem showing that despite his belts and K1 title, technically he isn't as good in the standup as he's made out to be
Overeem showing us his gas tank is as woeful as ever
Both showing us that when they do make it back into the UFC, Cain or JDS (these two far & away the best two hw's in the world) would destroy them. (in Werdum's case JDS would destroy him again)
PS: Barnett wins this GP tourny.
Barnett Doesn't get past Sergei. Everything else you stated is correct.
Werdum's been overrated for awhile. He beat Fedor and that's it. He's solid but still very one dimensional.
Overeem is 1000x the striker Werdum is and if you think otherwise then god help you. It's hard to strike someone that just wants to flop onto the ground and invite you to a pyjama fight or jump at your feet over and over. His conditioning however was very poor which led to him progressively getting worse and worse.
Werdum looked pretty good. His problem is he doesn't have the athleticism of some of the other top guys -- he lacks speed, power, strength, explosiveness.
Josh takes Sergei down & breaks his will on the way to a lop sided UD
He then does the same in the final.
Hope we can now hear the end of just how good this SF HW div is - its just like the UFC's hw div except it doesnt have clearly the two best fighters.
Josh, Overeem, Werdum, Silva, Rogers, Fedor and Sergei = Brock, Carwin, Mir, Shaub, Nog
noobs on forums exposed
Neph - <p>Overeem is 1000x the striker Werdum is and if you think otherwise then god help you. It's hard to strike someone that just wants to flop onto the ground and invite you to a pyjama fight or jump at your feet over and over. His conditioning however was very poor which led to him progressively getting worse and worse.</p>
Eh? Go watch some of the exchanges again. The fight was just 10mins ago - Werdum held his own on the feet but was too stupid to realise this.
Graceful Kauto - Josh takes Sergei down & breaks his will on the way to a lop sided UD
He then does the same in the final.
Hope we can now hear the end of just how good this SF HW div is - its just like the UFC's hw div except it doesnt have clearly the two best fighters.
Josh, Overeem, Werdum, Silva, Rogers, Fedor and Sergei = Brock, Carwin, Mir, Shaub, Nog
No........Just No (in the lemon pledge lady voice from family guy)
quidnunc - noobs on forums exposed
As per is the norm round here, someone makes a play on words in which they both think they are funny and think they are making a point, yet they completely do not back up what it is they want to say because they know they will get their ass handed to them in a debate.
If Boggoot beats reem, he beats Barnett. 
Boggoot=Bigfoot, lol my bad.
KickassMcrad -Graceful Kauto - Josh takes Sergei down & breaks his will on the way to a lop sided UD
He then does the same in the final.
Hope we can now hear the end of just how good this SF HW div is - its just like the UFC's hw div except it doesnt have clearly the two best fighters.
Josh, Overeem, Werdum, Silva, Rogers, Fedor and Sergei = Brock, Carwin, Mir, Shaub, Nog
No........Just No (in the lemon pledge lady voice from family guy)
No-one at Sf beats either JDS or Cain.
Rogers, Sergei and Arlovski beat none of the UFC fighters I mentioned
Then on any given night Barnett, Overeem Werdum & Silva could defeat or get defeated by Carwin, Mir, Shaub, Nog.
<blockquote>minotauro11 - If Boggoot beats reem, he beats Barnett. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote><br /><br />I picked Overeem at the start of the tourny but I got sucked in by the hype. Tonight shows that. Silva has a great chin and will wear on Overeem - 3rd round TKO imo for Silva.<br /><br />BUT Barnett doesn't tire the way Reem does and he's pretty good on the ground - experience is a big thing to in what would be the final. Id still have Barnett.<br /><br />Lets not hype Bigfoot into something he isnt, like we did with Reem, Rogers and Werdum. Remember the latter two's biggest wins came against the ghosts of Arlovski & Fedor.
these guys were exposed as great fighters that are a very difficult style matchup for eachother.
they are both incredible, and top 5 based on who they beat.
Werdum has beaten a lot of great guys and was the linear cfhamp. Now overeem is.
Graceful Kauto -Neph - <p>Overeem is 1000x the striker Werdum is and if you think otherwise then god help you. It's hard to strike someone that just wants to flop onto the ground and invite you to a pyjama fight or jump at your feet over and over. His conditioning however was very poor which led to him progressively getting worse and worse.</p>
Eh? Go watch some of the exchanges again. The fight was just 10mins ago - Werdum held his own on the feet but was too stupid to realise this.
...entirely because AO was too worried about the TD and knew that going to the ground was werdum's entire gameplan. He didn't use any kicks after the one got him taken down in the first round and he couldn't be too aggressive or he might have given werdum and opening.
I swear most of you must be trolling.
minotauro11 - Boggoot=Bigfoot, lol my bad. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
i am definitely referring to him as Boggoot from now on
and barnett will submit sergei in short order
Yes Mike, in a Kickboxing contest Overeem would be much better, but this aint kickboxing. You compare stand ups in MMA because striking in MMA is much more different that boxing/kickboxing exactly because of the fear of the td.
Thus, in MMA, there isnt a whole lot of difference between the standup ability of Overeem and the standup abilty of Werdum, was was demonstrated tonight.
edokaz666 -Gullivers Travels - Werdum's been overrated for awhile. He beat Fedor and that's it. He's solid but still very one dimensional.
yup
Fedor
big Foot
kyle
Vera
Aleksander
Gonzaga
Overeem
very overated
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