Brabo and "Monson" chokes

Bolo, help me out, please, with these two chokes. Whenever I try to pull them (I train no gi) they turn into neck cranks. What am I missing? I'm reffering to Monson choke the one from north south with a hand trapped or not...
Thanks!

getting the lat muscle part on the chin and elbow to a 90 degree with the ground was the trick for me...

I really don't use those chokes very much, especially from N/S. I'm not good at the N/S choke and have never been able to do it without using a lot of strength.

As far as the Brabo choke, I rarely ever use it, but when I did, my opponents said they mainly felt the pain of my forearm bone cutting into the neck rather than a choke.

Sorry that I could help you on this one.

I think the solution is that you need to lift some weights, put some meat on those guns, and get as big as Monson. :)

I call that a lie. Everybody knows you've got big guns, Bolo... :)

Is the "Monson choke" the same one that Tito Ortiz used in Abu
Dhabi against Rumina Sato?Here's vid:http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=pcA7K84pTFE&mode=related&search=

it's not? i thought it was.