Cali Senate approves sweeping new gun control laws

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-gun-bills-20160519-snap-story.html

State Senate approves sweeping new gun control laws for California

he state Senate on Thursday approved sweeping new restrictions on using guns in California in response to the December mass shooting by two terrorists that left 14 dead in San Bernardino.

Lawmakers approved 11 bills including measures mandating background checks for Californians buying ammunition and outlawing the manufacture and sale of semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines.


The bills, which next go to the Assembly for consideration, represent the most ambitious effort at gun control in decades in California, which already has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation.

Gun bills have traditionally had a harder time in the Assembly, but Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon said this week he is committed to pushing them through. The bills also must pass muster with Gov. Jerry Brown, who has vetoed some gun control measures in the past that he felt were overreaching.



“Gun violence has reached epidemic proportions across our nation,” Senate President Pro Tem Kevin De León (D-Los Angeles) told his colleagues. He said 30,000 people are killed by guns every year in the United States.

“We cannot stand by while our communities suffer from this horrific violence,” he said. “These proposals take common sense steps to keep weapons and ammunition out of the hands of criminals.”

Republican senators opposed all but one of the bills, arguing that criminals will find a way to get guns and ammunition despite the proposed new laws.

“The criminals will not be affected,” state Sen. Jim Nielsen of Gerber said during the floor debate. “They will not pay any attention to these bills. These bills disarm the law-abiding public.”

State Sen. Ted Gaines (R-Rocklin) called the bills “an assault on our 2nd Amendment rights.”

The measures banning rifles with detachable magazines and requiring background checks for ammo buyers are opposed by the National Rifle Assn., Gun Owners of California and the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry.

The prohibition on semiautomatic guns with detachable magazines would result in “banning many popular semiautomatic firearms currently legal under California law while doing nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals,” the foundation said in a statement.

The gun laws rose out of public outrage over the Dec. 2 San Bernardino shootings, which also resulted in a separate gun control initiative by Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom that is expected to qualify for the Nov. 8 ballot.

The massacre shed light on loopholes in California’s 1989 ban on assault rifles.

Two of the bills approved by the Senate would ban the manufacture and sale of semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines as well as semiautomatic, center-fire rifles with “bullet buttons,” a recessed button that, when pressed by a sharp object, allows removal of the magazine.

Those already possessing such guns would have to register them with the state as assault rifles.

State Sen. Isadore Hall (D-Compton) said his bill on “bullet buttons” addresses the kinds of guns used in the San Bernardino shooting. ”These types of firearms have no legitimate use for sport hunters or competitive shooters,” Hall said. “They have been designed to facilitate the maximum destruction of human life.”

Another measure approved Thursday would ban the possession of large-capacity magazines, those holding more than 10 bullets. Sen. Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley) told her colleagues that large-capacity magazines were found at the scene of the San Bernardino shooting.

"If the shooters had a 10-round magazine, four of [14 victims] would still be alive," she said.

Sen. Jeff Stone (R-Murrieta) said the bill drew opposition from gun owners contacting his office.

"This represents the incremental beginning of the taking of weapons by government," he said. Hancock said the bill allows owners to sell the magazines to licensed gun dealers or out of state.

Yet another bill approved Thursday, authored by De León, would require those buying ammunition to present identification, which would be used by the seller to check to make sure the buyer is not a felon or otherwise prohibited from possessing guns.

That bill is supported by Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck and Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell as a way to make sure criminals do not get ammunition. It passed on a 24-15 vote, with all Republicans opposing it, along with Democratic Sens. Richard Roth of Riverside and Cathleen Galgiani of Stockton.

Stone said the ammo bill would impose "drastic and unjustified restrictions on law-abiding citizens."

De León said special procedures have been taken to try to get the bills approved by end of June so that Newsom would have the ability to withdraw his initiative, although the lieutenant governor said he is going to the ballot regardless of any legislative action.

Other bills approved Thursday by the Senate would:

-- Require owners of homemade guns to get a serial number for the firearms, register them with the state and undergo a background check.

-- Ask voters in November to reverse a provision of 2014's Proposition 47 that made thefts of guns worth $950 or less a misdemeanor. The measure would allow felony charges in all gun theft cases. Republicans supported this measure.

-- Mandate that gun owners report lost or stolen firearms to the authorities within five days of discovery that they are missing. Some straw purchasers illegally sell guns and then later claim they were stolen.

-- Limit lending of firearms to specified family members.

-- Establish a Firearm Violence Research Center at one of the University of California campuses to study potential policies to reduce shooting deaths and injuries.

I need to get out of here.

SCOTUS will smash this one as well.

This is how we slowly lose a right

Wow great logic there Mr Hancock.

Goddamnit I hate living in this retarded state sometimes. Phone Post 3.0

California will get what it richly deserves. Sad. Phone Post 3.0

TryhardNobody - 

"If the shooters had a 10-round magazine, four of [14 victims] would still be alive," she said.

 

Here is what the moron who said this looks like

 

 

 

 

Why not limit the sale of firearms to muskets only?

 

 

That way 13 of the 14 victims would still be alive.

A demo from  Sheriff one why magazine size makes little difference: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU

Cookie Monster - California will get what it richly deserves. Sad. Phone Post 3.0
The fucked up part is most of the people I know here are borderline rednecks. Our politicians and coastal libs are the ones ruining our state. Phone Post 3.0

How can such a great state be managed by a bunch of morons? Phone Post 3.0

These laws are so insanely uneducated that it shames me to live in a state where they represent me. Only law that's good is turning gun thefts to felonies. Phone Post 3.0

Jack Carter - 
TryhardNobody - 

"If the shooters had a 10-round magazine, four of [14 victims] would still be alive," she said.

 

Here is what the moron who said this looks like

 

 

 

 

Why not limit the sale of firearms to muskets only?

 

 


That way 13 of the 14 victims would still be alive.


Please for the love of God don't give them any more ideas

I have to laugh at the thought of the homies robbing gas stations and liquor stores with muskets.

I need to get the fuck out of LA. Problem is all my family, friends and gym is here. Phone Post 3.0

ShanTheMan -
Cookie Monster - California will get what it richly deserves. Sad. Phone Post 3.0
The fucked up part is most of the people I know here are borderline rednecks. Our politicians and coastal libs are the ones ruining our state. Phone Post 3.0
Yep. Vast majority of CA are conservative, libertarian types. Phone Post 3.0

TFK_HossPearson -
ShanTheMan -
Cookie Monster - California will get what it richly deserves. Sad. Phone Post 3.0
The fucked up part is most of the people I know here are borderline rednecks. Our politicians and coastal libs are the ones ruining our state. Phone Post 3.0
Yep. Vast majority of CA are conservative, libertarian types. Phone Post 3.0
Are they not voting? Phone Post 3.0

Mark Antony's hangover -
TFK_HossPearson -
ShanTheMan -
Cookie Monster - California will get what it richly deserves. Sad. Phone Post 3.0
The fucked up part is most of the people I know here are borderline rednecks. Our politicians and coastal libs are the ones ruining our state. Phone Post 3.0
Yep. Vast majority of CA are conservative, libertarian types. Phone Post 3.0
Are they not voting? Phone Post 3.0
Apparently not. Thing is, these crazy gun control bills never make it to the floor and, if they do, they are vastly amended to look nothing like the originally proposed legislation. I'm not concerned about my losing my guns now but, like the tide, they are slowly eroding the shore that is gun ownership in CA. Inch by inch. Hopefully, I'll be long gone by the time CA succeeds and becomes full on police state. Phone Post 3.0

Mark Antony's hangover - 
TFK_HossPearson -
ShanTheMan -
Cookie Monster - California will get what it richly deserves. Sad. Phone Post 3.0
The fucked up part is most of the people I know here are borderline rednecks. Our politicians and coastal libs are the ones ruining our state. Phone Post 3.0
Yep. Vast majority of CA are conservative, libertarian types. Phone Post 3.0
Are they not voting? Phone Post 3.0

The populations of the cities in the south are so big that they override what the rest of the state wants.

Northern Cali was trying to break free and be their own State, "Jefferson", when WWII started in 1941, it was ended. But people up there still want to break free.

It's the same shit every year. Try and fight off these morons in the Senate which is a total waste of time. Then hold your breath and hope Jerry Brown veto's them.

I really hope we get a strong 2nd amendment judge or two in the SCOTUS that rat fucks these scum bags with their own legislation.