Hi, what's up, guys?
There used to be a long thread here about how to break your opponent's grip on his own wrist when he's defending against juji-gatame. Can someone please ttt that thread?
I remember someone on that thread saying something like "if your opponent is REALLY strong, there is really only one way to break the grip and it goes like this...". I know several ways to break the grip myself and I was wondering which one of them is this uber-good one.
Cheers,
jonpall.
I remember that thread, but I doubt it's available anymore, that was a long time ago in Internet time.
Ben R
Jonpall, I tried to find your thread without luck although I remember it and I think it was quite a while ago. Also I got sidetracked a lot trying to find it; there's a lot of good reading back there :)
this site needs like a search bar or something. for real
Was it the one where I posted the "wristlock" type of grip break? I think Liquid Technique was the author of the thread,if it's the one I'm thinking about.
Ben R>
Ben, yeah, that was the one.
jonpall,I think that thread is long gone.
I'll try to repost the wristlock type break.
Assume you are the juji position, sitting up,on uke's right side and that he has his hand locked/clasped together, right hand on top of left.
Thread your left arm through/under his right arm (sometimes you may have to switch arms that you have hooked his arm with).
Grab/cover his right hand (hand on top) with your right hand. You basically are grabbing his fist or clasped hand.
Make a figure four by grabbing your right wrist with your left hand. You want to work your left wrist edge up under his wrist, right in the wrist joint.
Next, you kind of push forward your left wrist while pushing forward with your right hand. Note that you push away from your body, you don't pull. Pulling won't work at all. you may have to lean forward more, depending on how straight up you are sitting and get your body into it.
If it works, his grip will snap loose. Right away, unbend his wrist, as you will have a strong wristlock on and he may well tap from it, which will get you DQ/ed in a Judo shiai. I suppose in BJJ or subwrestling it would be OK.
Ben R.
Thanks, Ben. FYI, I tried this move of yours on a 130 kg (290 pounds) guy and I'm about 78 kg (173 pounds). He benches about 240 kg (530 pounds) and I bench around 50-60 kg (110-130 pounds). Yeah, I need to work out :). He competes in strongman competitions and powerlifting and is one of the strongest men in my country, according to one of his friends (I don't know if it's true, but...). He's the strongest man I've ever grappled with and he just throws me around like a rag doll, just by grabbing one of my wrists.
I could pretty easily apply this move to break his grip and also pretty easily extend his arm to finish the armbar!
But note that I was doing this as an experiment and we started off with me mounting him and off to the side with the armbar grip, while he was clasping his hands together.
This guy just joined my gym. So, I doubt I will be able to actually take this man down and mount him for the next months or years - I have to get better at grappling first :)
But it was an interesting experience since I was almost certain that I WOULDN'T be able to break the grip and armbar such a strong man.
The armbar is for sure one of the submissions that has the most amount of leverage! The same can't be said for keylocks, f.ex.
I'm glad it worked for you. I've used it in practice and it works, and tried it in shiai. In shiai, the problem is that uke usually knows you are trying something and will shift around or not let me thread my arm/wrist through to the right spot. I'm sure it would work on lower ranked guys, but all the guys I've tried it on in shiai were very competitive black belts with a lot of experience.
Our Japanese coach, Ken Agemizu, showed us the move originally. He said it was basically the best one he knew of.
Ben R.