On the other side Jermaine O'Neal had 25 points, 20 boards, and 3 blocks.
Good job of mentioning that he was guarded by Ron Artest. Who was the NBA tonight savage that called Ron one of the NBA's strongest.q
artest didn't bother melo too much from what I saw, melo was just clanking fairly open shots. I'm a syracuse alum and fan and I like melo, but he just did not shoot well. he settled for too many deep j's when he should have tried to take it to the rack - at least in the third quarter.
did any of that matter with larry bird or magic johnson? neither of them were particularly fast nor were they great leapers. melo is more athletic than either of them.
carmelo's offensive skills and BB "IQ" will make him a star eventually. he'll never be the subject of vince carter-like highlight reels, but he'll be a 23-8-5 guy eventually.
"I don't think Carmello is athletic enough to be great in the NBA. He's tall with good skills, but he's not very fast and doesn't seem to be a good leaper."
He is 6'8 with a great touch from the outside, he does not need to be athletic, I just hope he does not turn into a Glen Robinson and never touch the key, he is too big not to mix it up sometimes
"did any of that matter with larry bird or magic johnson? neither of them were particularly fast nor were they great leapers. melo is more athletic than either of them."
That is a myth about Larry Bird, he was very athletic in college and coming into the NBA, the man was fast and could jump very well for 6'9". He became hobbled after his back and feet gave him so many problems, that is why is was such a great player, the man had a bad back and fucked up feet yet no one could guard him
Try and get ahold of some early Celtic games in the early 80's and watch him run the floor and rebound
"carmelo's offensive skills and BB "IQ" will make him a star eventually. he'll never be the subject of vince carter-like highlight reels, but he'll be a 23-8-5 guy eventually."
I agree, he seems like he really wants to learn and keep getting better, he even admitted to looking forward to the matchup with Lebron after this horrible game, him and Lebron both seems like guys that want to keep getting better, very refreshing to see
"artest didn't bother melo too much from what I saw"
I saw NBA fastbreak on espn, it showed Artest all over him and forcing him into stupid shots when he wasn't all over him.
"The league has to many defensive specialist these days for Mello to be "great." To be a great player you have to have something other than just IQ and skill. You need size, speed, strength and/or athleticism to give you an edge over todays defenses.
Look at all the top players of today. They have at least 1 athletic advantage over just about anybody else at their position. The exception is Tim Duncan, but he is leaps and bounds more skilled than anyone else at PF/C. It is doubtful Carmello will ever have such a skill advantage where he plays, there are just too many talented big guards and small forwards."
It depends on how you define "great," but I don't think this is true. There are players right now who don't have huge athletic advantages but still have the chance to be great, Nowitski for example gets what he gets almost off of pure skill, he's the most Bird-like player in the NBA right now I think.
Ray Allen's another example, he's more athletic than most but he's not a dunk machine and I think his and Carmelo's athleticism are similar, and Ray Allen's a damn good player just because he can shoot.
I disagree RE: bird's jumping ability. he was ground-bound for the most part, even early on. he got so many boards because of great position IMO. I think he was relatively fast tho.
floppy divac -
I didn't see the whole nugs / pacers game. from what I saw melo had open shots - albeit long-range j's - throughout the third Q. he'll make some of those most days; it's rare that he'll miss all of them. not surprised to hear that artest bothered him the rest of the time.
will be fun to watch tonight's nugs / cavs game.
Bro, honestly, get ahold of some tapes of his first years with the Celitcs. amazing. I watched some tapes of him in college at ISU and he was all over the place, Bill Hodges was a friend of one of my coaches. Bird was a very good athlete, his back and feet really fucked him up, lol well he is still a HOF
even watch the game against ISU and MSU in the finals. Even though Bird had an off night you can see what a great athelte he was
Carmelo will have even more of night as will James, its just trying to limit those games
"Good job of mentioning that he was guarded by Ron Artest."
Didn't see the game. Just read it. Sorry.
Bird was a good athlete, yes. one of those guys whose footwork and BB IQ made him extremely EFFICIENT in motion. he probably could get to the right spot on the court with minimum effort, thus creating the illusion of being faster, etc. you know what I mean. probably like oscar robertson.
I've seen tape of Bird in college and I am a HUGE fan of 80's NBA (laker fan since 79-80), so I've seen bird in action at the start of his career - I still don't think he was better than an average leaper.
anyway, we'll agree to disagree.
yah, both melo and lebron will have more off nights. but as a syracuse grad I've watched him carefully - he is too smooth offensively to have many 1-13 nights.
enjoy the game, all...
"Ray allen is very quick and athletic, and Dirk Nowitski is 7 feet tall. Mello has neither of those attributes."
Yes, but I think the overall levels of athleticism between those three players are comparable. Just saying you don't have to be a freak athlete to be a star - you have to be a good athlete, but not a freak, and if you're in the NBA you're a good athlete.
Sorry Jacob, didn't mean to sound like such a dick. lol
No problem man. I stopped crying hours ago.
Carmelo reminds me of James Worthy with a better outside shot.
"Carmelo reminds me of James Worthy with a better outside shot."
Please don't do that. I like Carmelo's game too but he is nowhere near a James Worthy, but yes he does have the outside shot over worthy but again he is nowhere near to Big Game James
LOL, I'll post 20 years from now and we will see! Big Game James was the man!