Could someone perhaps get a list going of the Catch as Catch Can names for subs that are now commonly known by their BJJ/Judo names?
Let me start:
Kimura = Double Wristlock
American = Top Wristlock
Straight Arm bar/Juji-gatme = Reverse Arm Scissors
Can you guys add to the list for the benefit of those who may be new to studying catch, but have some familiarity with other grappling arts?
Thanks in advance.
heelhooks and achilles are just called toeholds.
Short-arm scissors = bicep crush.
Oma-plata (or whatever the heck they're calling it = hammer-lock with leg.
Rear Naked Choke--> Strangle Hold--> Neck Yoke
Twister--> Guillotine--> Abdominal Stretch
Guillotine Choke--> Grobbit (various spellings) --> Front Headlock
juji gatame--> Japanese Armlock (many holds had 'Japanese' attached to them)
Full Nelson--> Double Nelson
Nathan, could you list the names of some of those techniques that had "Japanese" in their name, be they hooks/submissions, or takedowns/throws?
I know that even now in American Folkstyle Wrestling many techniques are still refered to as a "Japanese...", such as the "Jap Whizzer" (or "Arm Spin"), "Jap Legs" (which is what many people call riding legs with both legs in), etc. I'd be interested in learning more such holds and techniques.
I can't stand to hear a TWL called an Americana or keylock. I can understand calling it an Americanan cause that's what most people know but a TWL IS NOT A KEYLOCK!
gets off soap box
bicep crush= real keylock,can't think of any other right off hand
figure 4 keylock- short arm scissor
americana- top wristlock (show hold)
front facelock and groffit are the same thing
hooks in-top body scissors, stretcher
single leg grapevine- crossbody ride
side mount- also called crossbody ride
north south position- lateral press
being in the guard-saturday night ride
the guard- "the whore hold"...just playing
Thanks for the contributions thus far guys.
Keep 'em coming.
Off the top of my head, I recall seeing variations of the "Japanese arm bar," as well as Jim Londos applying the "Jiu-jitsu leg lock," which was what we might today term a half-Boston crab.
"Japanese" or "jiu-jitsu" was likely tagged on to the holds to give them an air of mystery. Wrestling was, after all, first and foremost a business.
Where have you seen these various moves refered to as "Japanese...." or "Jiu-jitsu...."? Have you seen them called as such in books? Newspapers? Somewhere else?
I wonder if there isn't in fact a judo influence in them though because a lot of those moves sound like they could be found in judo
" "Japanese" or "jiu-jitsu" was likely tagged on to the holds to give them an air of mystery. Wrestling was, after all, first and foremost a business."
It was common to see the "Japanese" tag placed on holds in the 30's but usually earlier than that the same hold could be found without that tag, so I believe Nathan is right.
Nathan is right. Had a talk with pop's and it was to bring some mystery to the hold's.
I have seen these holds termed "Japanese" in both newspaper reports of matches and in old books (one of which, the Fleischer book, is the source for the above pictures). Wrestling From Antiquity to Date also has two pictures of Jim Londos applying the half-crab shown above, calling it the "Jiu-jitsu leg lock."
By the mid-1920's in the USA (particulary among the heavies) and later here in Canada, wrestling was becoming steadily more theatrical in its presentation. During this period, there were regular reports of rioting due to 'modern' methods of drawing heat (cheating, fouling, referee incompetence etc.), that weren't a major part of the business during earlier years. Coming up with clever names for old holds was simply another method of grabbing public interest. Londos became one of the masters at this 'new' aspect of the wrestling game.
Thanks for the answer Nathan.
I always enjoy your informative posts.