Chael was landing shots on Anderson standing up

You know why? Because Anderson was more concerned with the takedowns from Sonnen. Exact same thing we seen tonight with Overeem/Werdum. I respect your opinion if you feel that Overeem's striking isn't as good as it is made out to be, but I wanted to share my opinion on why using this fight as an argument is void.

exactly, there are so many fair weather fans here that think they are experts of the game sitting on their couch. its pretty easy to spot the guys that dont know shit about striking. they get more of a kick shitting on a guy than talking mma because their lives must suck.

Bottom line: MMA Striking vs. Kickboxing

He also had zero respect for werdum's power, so he would eat a few to lure him in and counter with a haymaker.

 Thank you. Good point.

Maybe that's why Chael landed shots. Or maybe he can strike.
Chael's a pretty tough guy.
You are comparing apples and acai berries.

Overeem was afraid of submissions not takedowns.
He was pretty happy to lay on Werdum doing nothing like a GSP blanket.

Sonnen took Silva down and what happened?
Triangle-armbar.

I saw Overeem cowering a few times - from shots landed by Werdum.

Didn't you see that too?

There's no comparison in my opinion. And I respect your opinions fyi.

Kalin Johnston - You know why? Because Anderson was more concerned with the takedowns from Sonnen. Exact same thing we seen tonight with Overeem/Werdum. I respect your opinion if you feel that Overeem's striking isn't as good as it is made out to be, but I wanted to share my opinion on why using this fight as an argument is void.


 Great points.

dermotfix - Overeem was afraid of submissions not takedowns.

He was pretty happy to lay on Werdum doing nothing like a GSP blanket.







 Happy on top, yes, but if he was taken down he would be on bottom with Werdum on top of him.  He was def making sure he wasn't put in that position.  

Nice post TS, AGREED.

 " I wanted to share my opinion on why using this fight as an argument is void."



That's understandable, but Chael outstriking Anderson was an anomaly, even if we discount the injury rumors.



The fact remains that Alistair has not won the standup against just about anyone he's ever fought in MMA except for complete cans. This was no anomaly. 

 

Silva had a fractured rib (medical fact whether you like it or not whether you think it happened during the fight or prior) and still managed to win most of the standing exchanges with Sonnen (lit Chael up in round 4 and dropped him).

Overeem showed porous striking defense for the umpteenth time in his career (KO'd multiple times in MMA including a fucking clothesline from Bobby Hoffman). In K-1 he can hide behind his big ass gloves (double forearm guard) and just unload with power shots (hooks and knees) when his typically more skilled opponent is finished their exchange. He wins with brute power but can't get away with that in MMA where he has to use footwork and head movement and can get taken down by just defending his face.

frontrowbrian -  I asked Chael how he was able to land clean punches on Anderson...

he said and I'm paraphrasing <i>"It's not rocket science. You have to get in his face and start a fist fight. You fight timid and at a distance, he'll destroy you."

</i>Basically you can't be scared of him. You have to insist on fighting in close quarters. You also must have excellent hand speed and a granite chin. That's what Chael has and that's why he was successful. Someone like Forrest Griffin tried to bring the fight to AS and he got clowned ... why? He doesn't have the hand speed nor the chin Chael does.


Chris Leben wasn't timid. He had more balls than Chael in fact given the fact that he increased his pace aggression after getting dropped in the first exchange (which only led tohim getting more fucked up). Sonnen took advantage of an injured Silva and would more than likely get monstered on the feet in a rematch.

I like overeem but let's look at the facts:

He has no cardio, his chin cant take punishment, he was just outstruck by a BJJ guy, and it seems like he left this "supposed" power he has in his k1 and dream locker room.

How on earth will he be able to compete against the elite?

It's the same overeem. he was always a good fighter who couldnt handle the step up in competition. It's the same guy who now gasses out quicker because he has more muscle mass that needs oxygen.

It's time people make peace with this because if you keep holding on... it will lead to even more disappointment.

VincexLee - I agree 150% <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

MMALOGIC - I like overeem but let's look at the facts:

He has no cardio, his chin cant take punishment, he was just outstruck by a BJJ guy, and it seems like he left this "supposed" power he has in his k1 and dream locker room.


Anderson got knocked down by Chael, outstruck by Chael, he's still the best god damn striker in MMA. Same with Overeem. He took a ton of punishment in K-1 and even took some huge shots tonight, his chin is fine. When you're worried about a takedown you aren't exactly able to fight your fight. He knocked Werdum down a few times as well. Any time Werdum felt any power he'd just flop to his back.

Chaels mma striking > overeems mma striking Phone Post

 No doubt he bought into the myth of "K-1 level striking" being the gold standard of striking OUTSIDE of the tiny pool of K-1.



Or maybe he remembered losing due to one punch against JDS and thought (wrongly) that Overeem had the same kind of power.

frontrowbrian - 
Deaf Forever - 
frontrowbrian -  I asked Chael how he was able to land clean punches on Anderson...

he said and I'm paraphrasing <i>"It's not rocket science. You have to get in his face and start a fist fight. You fight timid and at a distance, he'll destroy you."

</i>Basically you can't be scared of him. You have to insist on fighting in close quarters. You also must have excellent hand speed and a granite chin. That's what Chael has and that's why he was successful. Someone like Forrest Griffin tried to bring the fight to AS and he got clowned ... why? He doesn't have the hand speed nor the chin Chael does.


Chris Leben wasn't timid. He had more balls than Chael in fact given the fact that he increased his pace aggression after getting dropped in the first exchange (which only led tohim getting more fucked up).<b> Sonnen took advantage of an injured Silva</b> and would more than likely get monstered on the feet in a rematch.

 LOL... That excuse.... again


And just how is that an excuse?

http://mmajunkie.com/news/20299/ufc-117-medical-suspensions-go-to-14-fighters-five-could-be-sidelined-six-months.mma

Idiot.

 The difference was... there were clinch strikes against a K-1 clinch master.

 Sonnen would never land a strike in the clinch vs Anderson.


MMApostle - 
MMALOGIC - I like overeem but let's look at the facts:

He has no cardio, his chin cant take punishment, he was just outstruck by a BJJ guy, and it seems like he left this "supposed" power he has in his k1 and dream locker room.


Anderson got knocked down by Chael, outstruck by Chael, he's still the best god damn striker in MMA. Same with Overeem. He took a ton of punishment in K-1 and even took some huge shots tonight, his chin is fine. When you're worried about a takedown you aren't exactly able to fight your fight. He knocked Werdum down a few times as well. Any time Werdum felt any power he'd just flop to his back.


Anderson had cracked ribs - what's overeems excuse?

Overeem was outstruck by a BJJ guy. Alistair is not the best striker in MMA.

Let's put this in perspective.

JDS has fought 3 BJJ guys/grapplers (including the one overeem fought tonight). JDS outstruck all of them and knocked 2 of them the fuck out.

JDS fought MMA strikers and outstruck and stopped both of them.

JDS has fought a d2 champ wrestler and not only outstruck him, but beat the fuck out of him.

JDS is the best striker in the division and he's proven it.

Alistair has been outstruck on the feet in MMA by every real fighter he's faced.

Werdum didnt just outstrike him because of the takedown... werdum's takedowns are weak. Werdum outstruck him because Alistair knows his chin cant take punishment. In k1 he had huge gloves to protect it... in MMA he doesnt.