Pretty interesting pics and story behind Chinese MA in the 1900's:
http://www.artofwarfc.cn/?q=node/276
I wonder how many Chinese arts were lost forever due to the ban by Chairman Mao. It's a damn shame.
I too "hunted down" those photos in the Martial Arts section of a Barnes & Noble Bookstore.
shen - I too "hunted down" those photos in the Martial Arts section of a Barnes & Noble Bookstore.
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here's some pics from the site:
These pictures are romoshops. The Gracies invented inventing and martial arts.
CJJ (chinese jj)
buvaiser - CJJ (chinese jj)Isn't there supposed to be a copyright or trademark symbol after CJJ? I don't want anyone to get sued.
Fact: Wifebeaters invented in 1938
These pictures aren't all that surprising. Nothing really outside of the usual, as far as basic grappling techniques go. Honestly, I can see either of two possibilities here, in explanation.
Firstly, the Japanese have always held that much of jiu-jitsu was brought to the Land of the Rising Sun from China. It is entirely plausible that a vein of Chinese grappling survived into the beginning of the 20th century.
The second option is just as likely. By 1900, Kano's judo had already been spreading outside of Japan. It's quite likely that a Chinese judo student may have reintegrated grappling into his kung-fu curriculum under the more familiar name of chin-na.
Shuai-Jiao is FAAAAR older than Judo and Jiu Jitsu.
did the Gracies ever say they invented these moves? i always thought they helio just came up with better ways of getting to these moves.
can be real...and very awful Chinease torture
Mulletron5000 - did the Gracies ever say they invented these moves? i always thought they helio just came up with better ways of getting to these moves.No, we are taking jabs at the MULTITUDES of Brazilian Jonestown Jiudoka who believe that the Gracies invented submissions and grappling.
FranklinFailedMe - Shuai-Jiao is FAAAAR older than Judo and Jiu Jitsu.and it doesn't have any groundwork, while those pictures clearly showed submissions commonly found in judo.
LOL @ the torture pics.
I thought there was some form of Chinese grappling called Chin-Na or something. Similar to Aikido but with a little more ground work?
Or maybe my McDojo Master was full of shit?
BIC, today's competition Shuai-Jiao does not have submissions, but it traditionally did have standing and ground submissions (Chin-Na) of which there is mention of as far back as the Zhou dynasty. They specifically mention joint locks.
nice...
frankiscool - Fact: Wifebeaters invented in 1938
Please don't contaminate kung fu threads with facts
bismanfightclub - I can't believe we haven't had a "racist thread" post yet. The UG is weak today! BTW G.I.'s brought back wifebeaters from europe after WWI so they have been around since before 1938.
Please don't contaminate kung fu threads with facts