Clear this up please...I an unsure

My question is this...what are the steps I need to take specifically to become certified and please toss me a $$ figure assuming all goes well and I pass the first time. This is only to teach GP self-defense etc and does not include law-enforcement or military personel. I am under the impression that an "experienced martial artist" begin with the BYOB but I am all-around in the dark. I suppose I am looking for affirmation/ permission to go ahead with the's my background, hopefully one of you studs can toss me an evaluation and tell me what you think.

I would count myself as an experienced martial artists in the sense that I can really hold my own in a fight and consider myself a scrapper although my traditionally experience is pale in comparison. My reasoning for this is because I grew up fighting (w/o instruction), then later I got into TKD about 7 years ago, however I only really liked the sparring/ fighting...along with my MA, I did quite a bit of backyard wrestling and boxing, and have also been doing MMA for a while now. I dont have a black belt or anything like that so maybe I feel confined by the semantics of "experienced martial artists", but I am just wondering what you guys would consider "experienced", who you would consider qualified to go the BYOB route, and who you wouldnt.

I'm a passifist by nature, but my philosophy is hurt them before they hurt eat dog. I confess that there are some legal issues that I need to become informed about as to legal self-defense, but I am acquainted with more that traditional MA including fish-hooking, biting, eye-gouging and all that "good stuff". Feel free for comments and/or questions.


Jon Spencer

Appreciate your interest Jon, Ill do my best to

There's couple of things I can answer and some I
wont - here.

1. Firstly, the 'won't here':

You wrote: "please toss me a $$ figure assuming
all goes well and I pass the first time."

Ive been asked very similar questions for two
decades now (thats how long Ive been teaching)
similar questions: How long to get to such & such

My answer has been the same: "Everyone is
different, eveyone brings their baggage and their
assets, their beliefs and their current martial
muscle-memory to a session...some of its
functional, some of its not, the strategy is to start ,
evaluate and then go from there."

While youre question wasnt exactly the same,
here's the point:

Any martial art program that ASSURES you of a $$
amount and guarantees certification WITHOUT
ever seeing you move or speak, is just out for your
money. :-)

While I could give you a dollar amount to start, I
wont here. Since the forum began many years ago
I have kept it a strict professional policy, out of
respect for those seeking TCMS insights, to not
have this forum 'directly' commercial.

My reply above shared some of our insight,
observations and training and teaching philosophy
and individuals reactions to it helps position us
and those reading it.

Yes, om occasion, we'll announce specials for
videos and encourage poeple to attend seminars
here...but public inquiries about money, especially
certification etc are always handled discreetly &
professionally through my office.

2. Re your 'affirmation/permission' question: you
wrote: "I am under the impression that an
"experienced martial artist" begin with the BYOB
but I am all-around in the dark."

Are you refferring to our 'home study'
correspondent course? That is for those wishing
to cross-train in our system. That 'certifcation' is
not the same as our instrcutor course. (I realize the
words are confusing, but that's english for you...)

While the BYOB package provides a huge platform
and overview of our training system, it is not the
same program or objective as the PDR course, but
that info is all included in the PDR application.

If youre really looking to learn our system at the
'instructor/coach' level, the PDR (Personal
Defense Readiness) program is the ONLY course
I give that provides a certification 'path' to teach our
research ethically, morally and legally to the GP
(general public).

There is a link on our site in the PERSONAL
DEFENSE section that describes the program, its
merit and philosophy. If you cantact our office for
an appilcation the details are readily available.

3. Your 'passifist by nature, but hurt them first'
philosophy is fine and your observation: " I confess
that there are some legal issues that I need to
become informed about as to legal self-defense"
is astute and covered in the PDR course.

Hope this answers your questions...


So the home study program would qualify me for doing what? Would it simply familiarize me with your philosophy and system for private use only?

And the PDR certification qualifies me for what?

What I want is to teach self-defense. What I need is someone who knows all about it (thats you) to teach it to me, and give me the profssional credentials that tells people that I'm qualified.

I would like to say that I totally understand your policy on "how much money will it cost" etc, and I dont blame you. Also I find it difficult to understand all of the context on this forum due to the large number of Abbreviations/Acrostics...maybe you should save a thread that contains a key to all the SPEAR's, PDRs, TCMS's etc.

thanks for the personal attention.

Jon Spencer


Theres a real clear explanation of the homestudy program and there's also a real clear explanation about the PDR prgram there too, they are cleverly hiddin tin the following section's






Regarding the acronyms and others jargon, if you do invest in the videos or manual a lot of that will be cleared up. Certainly people should spell out the abbreviation (in brackets if necessary) if they introduce a new thread or idea. The KEY LIST page is a good idea.



Good question asked. Let me try and help you with an
answer from a perspective that is current and
relative to where you are right now. I asked the same
questions before attending the past PDR class in
Montreal this past weekend. It was eye opening to say
he least. I have studied and excelled with some of the
best martial arts teachers there are. My training was
purely physical. The program has you ask
yourself.....How about the emotional and intellectual

You don't pass or fail the course "the first time". It
is the beginning of an awareness that you will pursue
if you are a serious "fighter". I don't want to sound
all Zen here either with that statement. This is
heavy, practical and immediatly applicable stuff. You
also need to define the word "fighter". If your
definition is being a fighter in a ring or sparring on
a mat and you can kick some a** that way, then you
are a good "fighter/actor" in an environment that both
parties are consenting and agreeing upon what the
rules are and what the limitations will be to the
engagement. Even UFC/NHB fighting has these rules or
guidelines. You also know who your opponent is, how he
fights, where you will be fighting him and what his
preferences are relative to fighting style (ie
grappling, close quarter, kicking, etc). Your learned
cognitive skills are polished to a point where you can
demonstrate them in this arena of consent.

What happens when the sh*t hits the fan and you don't
know who is attacking you and your brain goes into "Oh
sh*t" mode and you are caught as a deer in the
headlights in a full out ambush. How many times have
you practiced that in your training at full speed
(mentally and physically)? Do you understand how your
brain and body react and then process the response to
a full out psycho ambush attack? Probably not. If you
truly want to understand what it is to access a full
arsenal physical, mental and emotional. Go see Tony.
Until you don't know what you don't know. Any
lightbulbs going off?

Joe Mullings


One more thing. On the subject of the almighty $.
ALways make sure you equate value with cost. I will
make you a deal. It is based on the honor system. If
you are serious about being a warrior, not just a
fighter and there is a difference. Go to a PDR, if you
do not walk out seeing the immediate value....send me
the bill. However, if you do go and see the
value.....send me a thank you note.

Joe Mullings

Nice reply Joe - good disseciton and substance,
but more importantly, I appreciate the faith behind
your reply and offer.