Coach: GSP not Silva is the GOAT now

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                    <p>Former UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre&#39;s coach Firas Zahabi spoke recently with the <a href="http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/sports-de-combat/201502/05/01-4841488-georges-est-le-meilleur-combattant-livre-pour-livre.php" target="_blank">French language La Presse</a>, and compared Anderson Silva&#39;s recent positive test for PEDs with disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong. Further Zahabi says the GOAT is now GSP.</p>

"It's horrible for the sport," said Zahabi as translated from French by Marc Raimondi for MMAfighting. "Lance Armstrong has not helped the sport of cycling. A lot of people were inspired by his story and afterwards we find out that it's a lie. Here, we're going through something similar in our sport."

"Georges is the best pound-for-pound fighter. We have to drop Silva. If he really cheated, we can't set this example for the youth. It's ridiculous. Is Lance Armstrong considered the best cyclist of all time? No. A few years ago, the answer would have been different."

"Georges passed the tests of VADA, the best agency. All his tests are public. We are ready to take them again with random controls 24 hours a day. My athletes are natural and yes Georges is the best fighter of all time."

"It's unbelievable that they let them fight. Me personally, I would like the sport to be cleaned up. Because one day, a guy is going to die in the Octagon and we're going to find out that the guy who killed him tested positive after the fact. Our sport is already dangerous enough as it is. If we add doping on top of that, it becomes madness."

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He's fucking right, Silva's test failure let me down huge as a fan as if Wayne Gretzky popped for steriods. it's absolutely apalling that the fight was allowed to happen, who knows how much money the NSAC made between the fight purse fines and UFC fluffer money.

WAR GSP Phone Post 3.0

Spot on!

GSP GSP! Phone Post 3.0

Madness to use a bunch of highly effective performance enhancing substances to propel you on your way to becoming a millionaire.

Its not like someone is going to take away Andersons millions or at least some of them like they do in other sports now he's pissed hot.

Vives le Georges! Phone Post 3.0

I agree that it should be Fedor or GSP now;  

 

 "Georges is the best pound-for-pound fighter. We have to drop Silva. If he really cheated, we can't set this example for the youth. It's ridiculous. Is Lance Armstrong considered the best cyclist of all time? No. A few years ago, the answer would have been different."

how does GSP's coach know?

Raezor19 - 
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I agree that it should be Fedor or GSP now;  



 



 "Georges is the best pound-for-pound fighter. We have to drop Silva. If he really cheated, we can't set this example for the youth. It's ridiculous. Is Lance Armstrong considered the best cyclist of all time? No. A few years ago, the answer would have been different."


How the fuck can anyone justify ranking GSP ahead of Jones alltime.


Jones has fought as difficult a compitition as GSP has, I actually think Jon has fought better comp.

GSP, avenged or not, has lost twice, and finished in both losses, Jones has never lost.

Jones also has beat difficult comp consistenly in more dominating fashion than GSP has, is that even arguable.

I like GSP way way way way better as a person, I applaud him trying to clean up the sport, I applaud him speaking out about bullying, but no way in my right mind can I put him above Jones, I would feel like I am lying to myself if I did that.

Jones right now is at the top, and Pettis is the guy who actually has a chance to maybe equal or pass Jones provided he stays healthy, keeps the belt, and keeps wining like he has been.


Jones has fought 99% of career with distinct advantages over his comp.



Size and reach.



That automatically takes himself out of the picture.



P4P is supposed to show that a fighter with less physical advantages can beat a fighter with more physical advantages based on his skill,abilities and fighting style.



The one time Jones fought someone with the same physical advantages as him he barely squeaked by with a win.



GSP's hardest less dominant wins were against guys bigger than him.


I also think it's worth mentioning that Jones is 1 pound from being a heavyweight, and his walk around is very, very close to that of both of the HW divisions champions. Like you said, p4p is intended to look objectively at skill sets so you can compare guys of different sizes. Jones simply has to not cut weight for us to see how he'd do a division up. LHW's are in the interesting position of being the only fighters capable of floating between 2 divisions if they felt like it.

If a guy dies in UFC it's gonna be bad regardless if the guy is clean or not.

As a more direct response to the OP, I agree, I also thought GSP was the GOAT before Silva got popped. Someone should let Firas know there's an old expression about rocks and glass houses though.

Firas is letting all that pent up inferiority shine now that Anderson's in a tough spot

THP - Firas is letting all that pent up inferiority shine now that Anderson's in a tough spot

Actually, that's what your post reveals, not his statement.

If you look at strength of schedule, GSP has been ahead the whole time. You've always known that deep down but now there's no point even arguing anymore. GSP > Anderson.

Fwiw, I think Anderson is a great fighter and he has merely been caught doing what the vast majority of fighters are doing. But as much as I hate to see a decent enough guy have bad things happen to him, his fans have been absolutely insufferable for years and I'm enjoying seeing your worlds crashing down.

I am a massive gsp fan (yes I am Canadian), however I really feel that using Anderson's failed drug test as a platform to get George's name out there (even more) is in extreme bad taste.

No matter what a fighter does p4p, or the goat debate is PURELY opinion. There is absolutely no way to convince anyone one way or the other, nor is there any factual proof that 1 is better than the other. Phone Post 3.0

Glovegate - 
THP - Firas is letting all that pent up inferiority shine now that Anderson's in a tough spot

Actually, that's what your post reveals, not his statement.

If you look at strength of schedule, GSP has been ahead the whole time. You've always known that deep down but now there's no point even arguing anymore. GSP > Anderson.

Fwiw, I think Anderson is a great fighter and he has merely been caught doing what the vast majority of fighters are doing. But as much as I hate to see a decent enough guy have bad things happen to him, his fans have been absolutely insufferable for years and I'm enjoying seeing your worlds crashing down.

Oh wow I had no idea you were so in tune with my "feelings"?

Actually, like with most things, performance weighs heavily for when I decide things. GSP was very impressive, arguably number two p4p, but he just didn't finish many fights. And I watched those fights when they happened, most of them were very uneventful. Anderson was something special to watch. He truly destroyed his opponents and even when he was put in a tough spot he found a way to win. Also, he did it until he was very old.

Firas has been really campaigning ever since Anderson got popped. He sees the opening to dethrone Anderson from the p4p and he's taking it, because he knows Anderson is ahead of George in most people's eyes. The suddeness of his outbursts really shows this has been bugging him for awhile now.

sigh GSP retired at the right time just when they started doing more random tests

You can't put GSP as the GOAT cause he pissed clean. He is one of the best, but let's face it, his last like seven fights went to decision. Yes he won most of them convincingly but... None the less his resume isn't as impressive as it could have been. I say Fedor is the GOAT, regardless of his last year on main stream MMA. Hell I still consider JBJ in second, the mother fucker cleared his division better then anyone ever has, and in record time. Andy's still one of the best, always will be. Regardless how this ends up, im still a fan. Kinda sad how the MMA world is turning their back on him. Phone Post 3.0

<blockquote>12hitterquitter - <span id='userPost52446784' class='User-356637'>Its disgusting how some "people" even have Jones in the conversation. The man is 28 with not even more than 20 fights total lol. Wanderlie has quite a bit more TKOs than Jones has total number of fights. Hughes has nearly triple the amount of fights. Bog Nog has nearly double the amount of fights. Shogun Rua nearly has as many KO wins as Jones has total fights. Jones body of work isnt there yet so hold off on the claims people! To claim Jones is the #2 goat" or even having him top 5 is as premature as it gets and it exposes you as a new banwagon fan drinking the kool-aid of the month.<br /><br />Not to mention Jones wins due to size and reach and has yet to ever beat a big name who was in their prime. Jones is insanely over rated IMO. Jones simply came along at the right time, and cleared out a division of older fighters slowing down, while being so much bigger than all of them. <br /><br />Fedor and Gsp are the REAL GOATS and always have been to me. GSP while an average WW destroyed every single great WW of his time, while they were IN THEIR PRIMES, again and again. Gsp beat every man he ever faced. Fedor who was a MW by todays weight cutting standards went 10 years undefeated at HW against PRIME HWs, even beating the other 2 best HWs of all time atheir strengths while they were on top (beating PRIME Nog on the ground and beating prime Cro Cop on the feet) Fedor also beat every UFC HW champ of his era in AA and Sylvia. Fedor was unreal. Theres NOTHING he didnt do<br /><br />Also, when we talk about GOAT dont forget that includes out side the ring too. And the simple fact is Jones can NEVER match up to Gsp and Fedor outside the ring. Fedor and Gsp are/were national icons. Jones is a cokehead and a convicted criminal. Fedor and GSP will always be the GOATS (in and out the ring)<br /></span></blockquote><br />


Grouping GSP with Fedor when he was not on Fedor's level, is a disservice to Fedor. Fedor wrecked everybody. GSP, played it very safe. You do a disservice to Fedor when you rank them virtually the same.. 10 years undefeated against true heavyweight maulers.

Fedor is your GOAT

GSP's biggest challenger is probably BJ Penn. Battering Georges like no other to that point, sending him to the hospital, and doing it all as one of his smaller opponents. GSP during his run fought 6 times against guys of similar size of BJ Penn and never had a problem taking on the smaller man. His biggest opponent weighed the same as him at weigh ins, and that includes George started cutting at the beginning of the week just to be able to make 170 (rounded down). I wont even get into grease gate, the HGH gut, the gyno, or the different fighters who have accused him on being on PEDs.

You named 4 bigger. They all weighed in at 170. Fitch and Miller bigger, really? How so?

I named 6 smaller

Penn Sherk Penn Masdival Serra Serra


I didn't make any accusations.

THP - 
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THP - Firas is letting all that pent up inferiority shine now that Anderson's in a tough spot

Actually, that's what your post reveals, not his statement.

If you look at strength of schedule, GSP has been ahead the whole time. You've always known that deep down but now there's no point even arguing anymore. GSP > Anderson.

Fwiw, I think Anderson is a great fighter and he has merely been caught doing what the vast majority of fighters are doing. But as much as I hate to see a decent enough guy have bad things happen to him, his fans have been absolutely insufferable for years and I'm enjoying seeing your worlds crashing down.

Oh wow I had no idea you were so in tune with my "feelings"?

Actually, like with most things, performance weighs heavily for when I decide things. GSP was very impressive, arguably number two p4p, but he just didn't finish many fights. And I watched those fights when they happened, most of them were very uneventful. Anderson was something special to watch. He truly destroyed his opponents and even when he was put in a tough spot he found a way to win. Also, he did it until he was very old.

Firas has been really campaigning ever since Anderson got popped. He sees the opening to dethrone Anderson from the p4p and he's taking it, because he knows Anderson is ahead of George in most people's eyes. The suddeness of his outbursts really shows this has been bugging him for awhile now.

Good thing your criteria for "when (you) decide things" is meaningless and irrelevant.

Anderson finished more of his opponents but they were far less impressive opponents than GSP's. He had more Cotes than GSP had Hardys.

And he was finished by a couple of them. Takase was 4-7 when they fought and he dominated and finished Anderson.