College...

so if not today's military, when did you serve?

and yes, i was in yesterday's military?

Didn't serve. When it was time to make the choice between college and service, my procrastination habit is a bitch, it didn't interest me as much as it did during high school. Chose college, when it was apparently affordable even with academic scholarships.

Like I mentioned in my earlier post, when looking at "things" historically, today's result, statistically, doesn't/didn't appear as "tough" or having much permanence as yesterday's result. So the one-size-fits-all approach for enlistment no longer seems so clear cut these days.

Thanks for answering my question.

if anything you mistook my push for enlistment as a direct answer for toughness, instead it's more indirect and has more to do w/ destroying multiculturalism and unchecked freedom of choice. (and keeping ghey shit in the closet)

FCTV808 - if anything you mistook my push for enlistment as a direct answer for toughness, instead it's more indirect and has more to do w/ destroying multiculturalism and unchecked freedom of choice. (and keeping ghey shit in the closet)



EXACTLY!

Sgt. Slaphead - seriously......fukin kids need to join the Mil!

college money and Starship Troopers society FTW!

ayla108 - kanotoa, I've witnessed and worked with vocational training programs that have been cut by the DOE since the early 90s. It's a sad thing for such great programs to be cut either by the funding or the whole program. With all the big talk about a "Self-Sustaining Hawai'i", you'd think vocational programs would get a booster shot of funding and resources, but not once have I heard a huge voice for a return of vocational programs, just more send your kids to a big college and stuff that resonates "be a consumer, not a producer". Maybe I need to get a hearing aide.



I've made this point in the past. But like in my other post......the push for college is BIG BIZNESS :O Hell some of the old time guys I worked with barely made it outta HS, but their technical skills were through the roof due to vocational training either from actual programs or via the Mil.



As far as toughening up by enlistment, beyond recruiting promises, I feel that today it's more a placebo effect until you actually get involved in conflict in front of the desk rather than behind it, then the individual decides what they really are in today's military. I understand the blanket statement that enlisting is a cure-all for the American weakness, but when it gets right down to it is it really the cure-all? If those of us with military experience and education were nails and military experience was the hammer that drove us forward, we may fail to recognize that not everyone in this country are nails. Some of them are screws that need a screwdriver rather than a hammer.

To be Frank, no one needs a history lesson. Liken this to everyone wanting to do UFC until they get hit in the face OR joining a fitness bootcamp or gym, but not have to worry about getting your ribbon slammed 2 inches deep into your chest upon completing the program.


Mil service isn't a cure-all for our country's weakness.....that shit is caused by the weakassed PC and multicultural BS heaped upon children by schools and our adult population being spoonfed "We Are The World" ideals resulting in our nations inability to engage in a "Total War" aginst those who would harm us, Roberta Flack weeping about animals for ASPCA, and the vilification of our judeo-christian heretige.....WE NEED A FUKIN DOOMSDAY AT THIS POINT TO PULL OUR COLLECTIVE HEAD OUTTA OUR ASS.




Kyokushin mentions 2-yr service. Not a bad idea at all, since the 2yr commitment for high school graduates, prior to college entry, into military service is actually on the Obama Admin table in the future as far as how citizenship service goes. Imagine Robert A. Heinlein's novel come to life, but without the giant bugs and not every broad is a younger Denise Richards. No promises were noted that fascism shall not occur, so take it as you will ACLU. lol


No we need the bugs and bitches......otherwise the faggot "Ivory Tower" liberals will convince everyone of the same old shit that's killing us today. You point on "Fascism".....Hmmmm,interesting. One of the positives with military service would be instilling young people with a nationalistic pride and singular identity......funny how the left has conviced society that such ideals are the road to FASCISM and yet the road to SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM is beuatifully adorned with multiculturalism, feminism and all manner of identities/grpoups and ideas of equal worth.

most of the opposing view points would be enlightened by military service.

even after they get out. :)

FCTV, I wasn't directing my post towards you, but at common discussion that military enlistment is the only way for individuals to become tough or a man. It's sad, as most of you have voiced in your own way, that tough is frowned upon in some way in modern society. Little too much compassion and estrogen without enough heart, toughness, and testosterone. Balance.

In my Heinlein reference, I mention fascism because in his book 'Starship Troopers' Heinlein addressed this in satire. This kinda drew controversy because of this, but oh well. Coincidentally, the talk and plans of minimum 2-yr service for all high school graduates in the Obama admin started to imitate this fictional work.

btw, what is socialism and communism really? I understand them to be general beliefs. Both actually have good intentions as far as living as a sustainable community, but as we've seen, historically, both can be twisted into something bad. Democracy, as well as most of the world's religions, are no different.

From what I understand about fascism is that it's basically "My way or the highway". But that is just my pea-sized brain dummy version I use for personal cliff-notes. However, when looking at it politically and/or national sense I know that it has been misrepresented by groups to translate to the military. Actual, idealistic face-value, it doesn't look so bad, but like socialism and communism, fascism can be twisted into something bad. Historically, the left was more known to promote fascism, while also borrowing similar/shared ideas of the right. People wouldn't believe or listen to the left, however, if they didn't like how the right was treating them too. It happens, people succumbing to hype.

As for being spoon fed certain ideals, I am multi-cultural so I may have missed the part in where I became weak because of it. I meant that as a joke. I think the whole ordeal falls under NLP, hypnosis, or something like that. Say something enough times with the right people promoting it, therefore it must be true and it must be right, even when it's boolsheet.

I concur, FCTV. Most opposition would be enlightened. They may even learn that military service has it's place in education and realize that at most, we are our own worst enemies.

and thus, enlist them all. (not the chix)

ayla108 - 
Coincidentally, the talk and plans of minimum 2-yr service for all high school graduates in the Obama admin started to imitate this fictional work.


Because the civilian leadership shapes the policies and atmosphere in which the military has to operate, a mandatory service requirement can be good AND bad. :P

Like the mil under Clinton (or even early-post vietnam), many things like priorities and leadership sucked and some things made us less mission capable.Add to this, a possible opportunity to further indoctrinate teens in a socio-political mentality/ideals....and we've got a recipe for disaster for our country IMO.



btw, what is socialism and communism really? I understand them to be general beliefs. Both actually have good intentions as far as living as a sustainable community, but as we've seen, historically, both can be twisted into something bad. Democracy, as well as most of the world's religions, are no different.


off the top of my head, my take....socialism and communism differ in form or level of violence.....violence is a given in communism in order to overcome society's resistance to change. In socialism, violence is less obvious and takes the form of coercion by the government and societal institutions. Those that oppose are ridiculed, marginalized, legislated against and outlawed. The very foundation of our Republican gov't and national foundations and its emphasis on individual freedoms are opposite to either of those "isms"



From what I understand about fascism is that it's basically "My way or the highway". But that is just my pea-sized brain dummy version I use for personal cliff-notes. However, when looking at it politically and/or national sense I know that it has been misrepresented by groups to translate to the military. Actual, idealistic face-value, it doesn't look so bad, but like socialism and communism, fascism can be twisted into something bad. Historically, the left was more known to promote fascism, while also borrowing similar/shared ideas of the right. People wouldn't believe or listen to the left, however, if they didn't like how the right was treating them too. It happens, people succumbing to hype.


again my quickee take....soc/communism are leftist philosophies emphasizing egalitarianism whereas fascism doesn't....yet it too abhors individualism and individual rights so in a sense they are similar. And yes, militarism is a big part of fascism and seen as a way of bringing out the best qualities of a nations citizens.



As for being spoon fed certain ideals, I am multi-cultural so I may have missed the part in where I became weak because of it. I meant that as a joke. I think the whole ordeal falls under NLP, hypnosis, or something like that. Say something enough times with the right people promoting it, therefore it must be true and it must be right, even when it's boolsheet.


Is it BS that our nation is weakened by the divisive issues that seek to create groups and identities other than an "American" one?.....or a political viewpoint that pushes the idea that American Nationalism, unilateralism and sovereignty are bad? I feel like we are indeed weakened as a nation, no longer are we able to act as a nation like we did in WWII.

*grinds southern style smoked brisket with a nori covered musubi w/ume and dressing up in my Brazilian Jiujitsu gi to go practice some Judo throws and Greco-Roman clinch.....AMERICA! FUK YEAH!

FCTV808 - 
oh, and we still need to draft all their fucken asses for a mandatory 2 years first. (you can put off while you're in school--then, BOOF you're in)

and i'm fucken serious.


I agree. I did a speech in college on this and I got a verbal lashing from the majority of the class as well as my teacher. I just thought it would be good for the young men of our country to learn the definition of hardwork, dedication, respect, discipline, teamwork, honor, integrity, loyalty, selfless service, and personal courage. I have thought of atleast forty childhood friends and family members who's lives would have benefited from atleast two years of military service.

thk u!