Just curious as to how many people were frustrated with Cerrone's approach to Nate.....yet are same people crying about Condit "running" from Nick.
People called Donald an idiot for the way he approached Nate.....funny. I bet the same people criticizing Condit....would be calling him the same idiot had he followed same approach as Cerrone.
BUT it would be cool....because Condit would have went out like a WARRIOR....which is way more satisfying and respected than applying strategy and getting a belt :-<br />
that was a great fight.. you cant compare... cerrone is historically a slow starter and never got it going nor took advantage of his leg kicks.. both came to fight..
cant say the same about the other one..
Yeah, Cerrone didn't get the win, but he did come to fight and left it all in the octagon. The cowboy will be back and stronger than ever.
Condit got the win but didn't come to fight and that's why people are so enraged he won. This is fighting, or at least it's supposed to be.
Good thread and good point OP, but I honestly think that's why we're so upset with the Condit win / Nick Diaz loss.
Nick went there to fight, Carlos didn't, and that sucks because Carlos won anyway.
I feel Cerrone had opportunities that he never capitolized on to win that fight.
Cerrone, like Condit, threw alot of leg kicks. Cerrone, UNlike Condit, threw leg kicks while planted or going forward, while Condit's kicks were more to keep Diaz away and at a distance from getting in to hit Carlos.
Cerrone's mistake wasn't his gameplan, it was not following Nate to the ground. Cerrone may not be as good as Nate on the ground, but he said he was, as well as even if he's not, he's good enough to hang with him imo.
That being said, if Cerrone was to get top position, reign down some ground and pound, he'd have a better chance of at least winning a decision.
Carlos I think fought a safe fight, but I don't think Carlos did enough to win. On that same note, I wouldn't feel good calling Diaz the winner either, it should be a draw, but Condit getting the w is the last I would've guessed.
Marion Cobretti - that was a great fight.. you cant compare... cerrone is historically a slow starter and never got it going nor took advantage of his leg kicks.. both came to fight..
cant say the same about the other one..
Cerrone didn't take advantage of his leg kicks(a mistake,imo) YET you praise him because he stood in front of Nate. But Condit didn't come to fight?? Hmmm....
And this is arguing my OP how??
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D241 - Cerrone's mistake wasn't his gameplan, it was not following Nate to the ground.
So standing in front of Nick and taking a beating wasn't a mistake???
I was frustrated at the way Cerrone looked against Nate Diaz. I wasn't frustrated at the way Condit looked against Nick Diaz, in fact, I was more frustrated that Nick couldn't make the proper adjustments needed to pull out the victory as Condit started to get more comfortable.
JohnnyChrist - I was frustrated at the way Cerrone looked against Nate Diaz. I wasn't frustrated at the way Condit looked against Nick Diaz, in fact, I was more frustrated that Nick couldn't make the proper adjustments needed to pull out the victory as Condit started to get more comfortable.
Now that's some honesty I can respect. I wondered this about Nick too....but I think some of that can be faulted in the same resounding criticism of Condit:
Nick wasn't trying to finish.....the comments about how he thought he was ahead on points says alot.....but no one wants to talk about that.
It's official, fighting a Diaz brother is now a no-win situation. Either you get your ass kicked and lose, or you use a smart gameplan and win a decision and get called a pointfighting bitch.
I give Cerrone more credit for trying to make it a dog fight! Cerrone is a real fighter...Condit let Jackson take that from him 
HEY...there's enough bitching pussy-farting thread to keep complaining about the decision......this thread is about something beyond that. Keep it on topic.
BooZe - I give Cerrone more credit for trying to make it a dog fight! Cerrone is a real fighter...Condit let Jackson take that from him
Why do you give him more "credit?" Cerrone was beat to a pulp...and lost. If winning fights mean nothing....then why even have a belt...or records for that matter.
Condit has superior standup. Cerrone had his head up high and almost zero movement and just ate unnecessary punches. He might have harder kicks but his hands and combos are not even close. I was pulling for both and felt Cerrone fought stupidly and Condit did not. Cerrone also fell into the trash talking emotional web the Diaz boys thrive on. Condit never reacted or cared about childish taunts or mean mugging. Cerrone fought emotionally and it showed.
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Why sign up to fight against someone you are scared to fight?
... that wasn't Condits normal fighting style. He was scared homie.
Tomato Can - It's official, fighting a Diaz brother is now a no-win situation. Either you get your ass kicked and lose, or you use a smart gameplan and win a decision and get called a pointfighting bitch.
Unless Condit knocks him the fuck out.
I think the majority of hardcore fans thought there was the highest probability that if anyone at WW could finish Diaz on the feet, it'd be Condit. I know I certainly thought he could.
Imagine how crazy the boards would be if Diaz had been knocked out. I'd much rather Condit got the belt that way.
Just have to add as well, if this were boxing and a fighter used a tactics like that to turn a close quarters brawl, which the other fighter wanted, to a stick-and-move fight, that boxer would be praised for his gamesmanship and strategizing to turn it into his fight.
Does anyone think that the Patriots just simply didn't have the talent to beat the Giants? No, of course they did.. But the Giants used strategy, gameplanning, and they did what THEY needed to do to win the game. On the same token, of COURSE Diaz has the talent and the ability to beat Condit, but Condit had a much better gameplan and strategy and executed it much better than Diaz did. Hell, Diaz has the ability to beat GSP under the right circumstances.
MMA fans are so under-appreciative of that aspect, and they often don't treat MMA as a sport but a spectacle. The point of sports is to have each team, or player, to do what they must do to win, and let the entertainment unfold from that. MMA is a sport, and a competition, not some 'fantasy fighting world' full of arbitrary rules such as "player x must be entertaining at the expense of victory," or "player y has to stand and trade else he will be unappealing," that'd be the worst thing for MMA. True, there is an business aspect to the sport that other sports don't have, but for fighters not to do everything in their power to win would be completely disingenuous.
I hope that last sentence makes sense, I think it's an important point.
Why is it people always say that the same people that cried about one fight are the same people that are crying about another fight? Do you go back to all the threads and review previous posts to backup your claim that these are the same people?
Just wondering.
Also what cerrone did was charge forward in a straight line with no head movement. I think most people would like someone go straight at Diaz (either one) and utilize some goddamn head movement. That said, i like watching fighters like Edgar and Cruz so i enjoyed Condits performance and thought he fought smart. Diaz was clearly frustrated that his opponent didnt sit there with his back against the cage waiting to get punched.
Also every time Condit "ran away" he took the center of the octagon again. Compare that to kalib starnes who ran circles along the outside of the cage trying to avoid the fight at all costs.
Cerone although the same height as Nate has a few inches shorter reach. Cerone did not use any head movement and simply allowed Nate to tee off on him due to reach difference. Cerone was also too proud to try change and adapt to the fight. Cerone's leg kicks was definitely doing more damage and was thrown with more power. Yes Cerone fought like a warrior but he could have fought smarter at the same time.