a good HW wrestler. If Cormier fought someone like Cain or Carwin (if he didn't get winded) or even Lesnar if he could take the punches, it's very likely that due to the size disadvantage, he could get beat. All three of them are giants and all three possess some of the best wrestling in the game and have some seriously fast hands. If the winner of the tournament gets a shot in the UFC, which I assume may be the case, Cormier (who I think will beat Barnett) could handle quite a few of the UFC HWs. But against some of the bigger guys with real skill, it may just be too much to handle.
Uh, NOPE! His wrestling is one of the best in the world which puts it THE BEST in this thing we call MMA.
SavageAcE - no.
Lesnar doesn't have fast hand or have anything near in striking skills to cormier
Now Lesnar does use his Bob Sapp rush.....That won't accomplish anything, he won't take down Cormier(dont care if lesnar took down cain for a second).......and he won't beat cormier in the stand up.
Cormier will ko/tko him in the first round, lesnar can't handle cormier speed...probably make lesnar tap to strikes.
Carwin....LMAO.
Carwin won't take cormier down.....Carwin stand up is so overated, he is so slow......Cormier is way faster and I wouldn't be suprised if he finished him.
Of course if the fight goes to a decision, Carwin is gonna gas so bad and lose.
Cain....Is the only one with a chance.
He has good stand up and good wrestling...Doubt Cain can take him down.In the stand up, it will be a good fight tho....I think Cormier can test Cain's chin and has the reflexes to dodge cain's best punches......things is Cormier in a year or so when he can face the UFC HW champ...Would've improved so much which is bad for cain.
As I said: If Carwin didn't gas, and if Lesnar could take the punches.
Regardless of how some may feel of Brock, fact remains his collegiate record is emaculate, 106-5. If Brock took Cormier down, which given his strength and overall closing ability is a real possibility, he may be able to hold him there with strength and GnP for three rounds or even finish him.
And as Carwin proved against JdS, he can take some serious punishment and has one punch KO power, proved that against Werdum. One punch could end it and if he didn't gas, could stuff Cormier's takedown considering his extensive record in collegiate wrestling.
notsometourist - a good HW wrestler.
You do realize that Cormier is an OLYMPIC level wrestler, right? And, that the Olympics is the highest level any wrestler can aspire to?
So...
Fail.
Not saying I agree but while "Olympic Wrestler" is good that doesn't mean other wrestlers are not on that level. Brock could have tried to go to the Olympics but chose to get paid instead. Just because someone was not in the Olympics does not mean they can't wrestle at that level.
I do not agree with the general term of "exposed". This man is still learning the fight game and for a wrestler he sure knows how to knock people out. He will more than likely get beat sooner or later but if he keeps learning at his current pace, he is going to be a very, very good fighter.
FUTA WON (d) -notsometourist - <b>a good HW wrestler</b>.
You do realize that Cormier is an OLYMPIC level wrestler, right? And, that the Olympics is the highest level any wrestler can aspire to?
So...
Fail.<br type="_moz" />
Yeah, I know. What 'm saying is that if he fought another HW with great wrestling (Velasquez and Lesnar both have serious wrestling credentials) their size could be just too much. I'm not discrediting Cormier, I'm just saying his size could prove to be a disservice should he ever fight a bigger wrestler with similar abilities. He hasn't exactly fought someone with really good wrestling yet.
notsometourist - a good HW wrestler. If Cormier fought someone like Cain or Carwin (if he didn't get winded) or even Lesnar if he could take the punches, it's very likely that due to the size disadvantage, he could get beat. All three of them are giants and all three possess some of the best wrestling in the game and have some seriously fast hands. If the winner of the tournament gets a shot in the UFC, which I assume may be the case, Cormier (who I think will beat Barnett) could handle quite a few of the UFC HWs. But against some of the bigger guys with real skill, it may just be too much to handle.
Yes of course. That's exactly the type of fighter that will beat Cormier, a good heavyweight wrestler, who has a size advantage over him, who doesn't gas, and who can take punches.
That fighter can beat anyone in the world.
IMO::
On Lesnar: Cormier could beat Lesnar. He's a top wrestler so I doubt he would let Lesnar take him down right out of the gate. Not to mention his striking is really good and we all know lesnar cant take a punch.
On Carwin: I think carwin could beat cormier. It would be one hell of an interesting fight though. But I think carwin would KO him unless Cormier decides to just shoot for a takedown immediately. Not sure how good Carwin is off his back...but it would be a good fight.
On Velasquez: Fight will most likely not happen due to the fact that they train together and are teammates. HOWEVER, if it were to happen, I think cain would out-strike cormier pretty easily. Watching cains fights just seems like he is a much more crisp heavyweight and has some good takedown defense.
JerodR - Not saying I agree but while "Olympic Wrestler" is good that doesn't mean other wrestlers are not on that level. Brock could have tried to go to the Olympics but chose to get paid instead. Just because someone was not in the Olympics does not mean they can't wrestle at that level.He could have tried... sure. But he would have failed and is not on that level.
I do not agree with the general term of "exposed". This man is still learning the fight game and for a wrestler he sure knows how to knock people out. He will more than likely get beat sooner or later but if he keeps learning at his current pace, he is going to be a very, very good fighter.
SinCityHustler -notsometourist - a good HW wrestler. If Cormier fought someone like Cain or Carwin (if he didn't get winded) or even Lesnar if he could take the punches, it's very likely that due to the size disadvantage, he could get beat. All three of them are giants and all three possess some of the best wrestling in the game and have some seriously fast hands. If the winner of the tournament gets a shot in the UFC, which I assume may be the case, Cormier (who I think will beat Barnett) could handle quite a few of the UFC HWs. But against some of the bigger guys with real skill, it may just be too much to handle.
Yes of course. That's exactly the type of fighter that will beat Cormier, a good heavyweight wrestler, who has a size advantage over him, who doesn't gas, and who can take punches.
That fighter can beat anyone in the world. <br type="_moz" />
Missing the point. I'm not talking about building the perfect fighter. Im talking about the fighters that already have the necessary skills to beat Cormier. Cain could beat Cormier because of his wrestling abilities, his ability to take punishment, and his cardio. Lesnar has the necessary skills as well, except for his inability to take punches. And carwin could do it as well, but his gas tank is as efficient as a Hummer. Carwin could get his cardio up and then who knows what would happen with Cormier v. Carwin.
Man, some of you guys try really hard to discredit Brock Lesnar. The guy was a 3x heavyweight champ ffs.
SuMBJJ -JerodR - Not saying I agree but while "Olympic Wrestler" is good that doesn't mean other wrestlers are not on that level. Brock could have tried to go to the Olympics but chose to get paid instead. Just because someone was not in the Olympics does not mean they can't wrestle at that level.He could have tried... sure. But he would have failed and is not on that level.<br type="_moz" />
I do not agree with the general term of "exposed". This man is still learning the fight game and for a wrestler he sure knows how to knock people out. He will more than likely get beat sooner or later but if he keeps learning at his current pace, he is going to be a very, very good fighter.
To say that Lesnar doesn't possess Olympic calibre wrestling is ridiculous. 106-5 in collegiate wrestling. That doesn't happen by accident man.
no one could take him down in the entire US, he had beaten the 2008 olympian Steve Mocco multiple times in absolute finals of tournaments.
SavageAcE - no.
Lesnar doesn't have fast hand or have anything near in striking skills to cormier
Now Lesnar does use his Bob Sapp rush.....That won't accomplish anything, he won't take down Cormier(dont care if lesnar took down cain for a second).......and he won't beat cormier in the stand up.
Cormier will ko/tko him in the first round, lesnar can't handle cormier speed...probably make lesnar tap to strikes.
Carwin....LMAO.
Carwin won't take cormier down.....Carwin stand up is so overated, he is so slow......Cormier is way faster and I wouldn't be suprised if he finished him.
Of course if the fight goes to a decision, Carwin is gonna gas so bad and lose.
Cain....Is the only one with a chance.
He has good stand up and good wrestling...Doubt Cain can take him down.In the stand up, it will be a good fight tho....I think Cormier can test Cain's chin and has the reflexes to dodge cain's best punches......things is Cormier in a year or so when he can face the UFC HW champ...Would've improved so much which is bad for cain.
You do realize that Cain is also improving every fight I hope!!
notsometourist -FUTA WON (d) -notsometourist - <b>a good HW wrestler</b>.
You do realize that Cormier is an OLYMPIC level wrestler, right? And, that the Olympics is the highest level any wrestler can aspire to?
So...
Fail.<br type="_moz" />
Yeah, I know. What 'm saying is that if he fought another HW with great wrestling (Velasquez and Lesnar both have serious wrestling credentials) their size could be just too much. I'm not discrediting Cormier, I'm just saying his size could prove to be a disservice should he ever fight a bigger wrestler with similar abilities. He hasn't exactly fought someone with really good wrestling yet.
And what I'm saying is that this SIZE disadvantage you're talking about doesn't matter. Cormier wrestled as a heavyweight through College and the Olympics, SIZE does NOT translate to ability. OBVIOUSLY Cormier is a better wrestler with stronger ability than Cain or Lesnar, seeing as neither of them even tried out for the Olympic wrestling team.
Again, it doesn't matter if Cormier fights someone with GOOD wrestling because Cormier has AMAZING wrestling. His OLYMPIC ability is FAR beyond that of the two COLLEGIATE Champions you are discussing.
You just simply do not know what you're talking about. You do not understand wrestling, clearly. Even more clear is your misunderstanding of the "size" difference that really has no bearing because Cormiers wrestling SKILL IS HIGHER.
When skills are equal then size matters, but, in the case of Cormier, his wrestling skill FAR SURPASSES that of both Cain and Lesnar and Cormiers striking skill is very clearly far above Lesnars (considering Lesnar turns his back and runs away every time he gets caught on the chin).
Maybe you should go back and watch Cain get rocked repeatedly by the fringe Top-15 fighter Cheick Kongo. Cain has already showed he does not have a granite chin.
So... again...
Fail.
Bigfoot beats Fedor and everyone jumps his nuts. Now Cormier beats Bigfoot and every one is on his nuts. Now Cormier is going to be a great MMA fighter, but I would not put to much stock in the bigfoot win. He was overrated to begin with. Look at his record and most of the guys he beat were no names of over the hill names like Rico R. We now know that Fedor was already on a hard slide down and other then that win he took AA to a decision when everyone else seems to leave him stiff on the mat. Lets not overate Cormier to fast. He will have his hands full with Josh.
I guess all these bitchass 11ers only watch MMA now so they can show up on the UG later and tell everyone which guys got "exposed" or may be "exposed" in the future.
The fighters I don't cheer for, and all the fighters in all the orgs I don't watch clearly suck! EXPOSED!
JerodR - Not saying I agree but while "Olympic Wrestler" is good that doesn't mean other wrestlers are not on that level.
Umm, yes, I kind of think that's exactly what it means...
Jds would provide a good challenge better stand up and good td defence??
thoughts?
Isn't Cormier Cain's wrestling coach? 