Could Barry make 85?

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no having him skip 205 and lose another 20 is rediculous Why not have him cut off a leg

Because a 5ft11 man at 185 is still a pretty big dude, in fact it's normal weight for an adult man of that height.

Barry's frame isn't gigantic, he just isn't used to being middleweight yet.

I don't think starving himself is going to help him not get out wrestled.

Barry is about the same size as Rashad.

They're both 5' 11".  Same thick (solid, tight) frame, wide shoulders, thick ass and thighs (beep!).

Rashad also dropped from HW way back when.

Pat is giving away too much sheer mass, and was probably out-weighed by 40+ pounds in his last fight.

He weighs in at 235-237. 

He should correctly diet and cardio his way down 12 pounds.

20 pound weight-cut and hit 205 on weigh-ins.

Walk into the Octagon on fight-night at 220-225 pounds.

Leg-kick and thunder-punch some dudes his own size right into Bolivia.

 

He's one of my favorite fighters and personalities in the sport.

All the respect in the world, I'll cheer for him no matter what he does.

WAR HD!

The straw weight division is fucked of pat will ever take this mma thing seriously and get with dolce. Phone Post 3.0

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no having him skip 205 and lose another 20 is rediculous Why not have him cut off a leg

Because a 5ft11 man at 185 is still a pretty big dude, in fact it's normal weight for an adult man of that height.

Barry's frame isn't gigantic, he just isn't used to being middleweight yet.

he weighs 235 and u want him to make 185 ? ah dont think so

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I think super heavy is his home. He would well against Erickson, Pele and Conrad.

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ABE FROMAN - I think he could.

I don't think 205 is any better of a matchup for him.

85 on the other hand might give him some new life.

Agree/Disagree?

at first i kinda thought that as well, but now i don't think that will really help him..

i think as a HW he's successful because he's faster than a lot of other HW's, and has a lot of power for someone giving up 30 lbs. but as a kickboxer, he was successful largely due to his leg kicks...

at 185 he won't be faster, and cutting weight might cause him some serious cardio issues, and deplete his power as well. and his reach/height is still normal at MW, or even WW... GSP actually has a longer reach than him.


i think Barry isn't as successful at HW because he's not able to use the striking style that made him successful in kickboxing (tons of low kicks), and his frame lacks the reach at HW (he's routinely giving up 6" or so)...


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no having him skip 205 and lose another 20 is rediculous Why not have him cut off a leg

Because a 5ft11 man at 185 is still a pretty big dude, in fact it's normal weight for an adult man of that height.

Barry's frame isn't gigantic, he just isn't used to being middleweight yet.

he weighs 235 and u want him to make 185 ? ah dont think so

He's comparable to me, we are roughly the same weight even though I carry more muscle.

Yes, I could make 185 if I traded off a certain amount of muscle.

205 would be an easier cut for him but that wasn't the question.

I think he could make 185 if he focused on it, and it would not be an unnatural weight for him unless you're comparing the fact that he stays at 230+ currently.

5'11 185lbs is hardly the biggest guy at Middleweight.

^with that being said, he's not as soft as guys like DC or Rashad was at HW... he's just a really muscular guy, who's style is based off the power his mass and strength give him.

change his weight, and i think it changes his style, for better or worse...

If by that you mean could he stand up through an 85 camaro t top clad in only his tidy whities and cowboy hat while screaming "HERE COMES THE THUNDA" at tourists walking on the Vegas Strip, the answer is yes.

hybridfc - I think he could be a force at 125. Phone Post
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BshMstr - ^with that being said, he's not as soft as guys like DC or Rashad was at HW... he's just a really muscular guy, who's style is based off the power his mass and strength give him.

change his weight, and i think it changes his style, for better or worse...

Extremely valid viewpoint, I hadn't considered that angle necessarily, although I do think Pat's skill would translate into power whatever division he choose.

He should drop to cockweight, imo. Phone Post 3.0

He shoud try snd compete in more weight classes than Florian

BshMstr - ^with that being said, he's not as soft as guys like DC or Rashad was at HW... he's just a really muscular guy, who's style is based off the power his mass and strength give him.

change his weight, and i think it changes his style, for better or worse...

and the weight cut discussion brings up my point, that this is a guy who's already training hours a day, which isn't really conducive for building/maintaining lots of muscle mass...

i don't know his nutritional plan or S&C regimen, but i think it's safe to say he's pretty gifted in the muscle mass department...


it might be counterproductive to put for the time/effort to get his weight down that much, especially for a guy who's competed at HW his whole career in kickboxing and MMA...

All jokes aside, I would like to see him get Dolce in his camp and drop 15 pounds or so off him. He could easily cut the rest. I just don't want to see him getting put out by guys so much larger than him.

Not trying to be that guy but it's bullshit they let someone like Barry in the UFC but not ben askren .. I know Barry is more entertaining but I would almost go out an even say if you put askren against Barry askren would still kick his ass even though Barry is up 3 more weight classes an for the record I am a Barry fan but just saying Phone Post 3.0

VitorpeepeetasteStrongTRT - He should drop to cockweight, imo. Phone Post 3.0

In my case that means he'll be staying at 230lbs.

joesonshuevos - 


I think super heavy is his home. He would well against Erickson, Pele and Conrad.


Didn't Cole Konrad retire?

BshMstr - 
BshMstr - ^with that being said, he's not as soft as guys like DC or Rashad was at HW... he's just a really muscular guy, who's style is based off the power his mass and strength give him.

change his weight, and i think it changes his style, for better or worse...

and the weight cut discussion brings up my point, that this is a guy who's already training hours a day, which isn't really conducive for building/maintaining lots of muscle mass...

i don't know his nutritional plan or S&C regimen, but i think it's safe to say he's pretty gifted in the muscle mass department...


it might be counterproductive to put for the time/effort to get his weight down that much, especially for a guy who's competed at HW his whole career in kickboxing and MMA...

He simply eats a lot, it's not a gift. We see a lot of guys in fitness just like him. That's why I think 85 might be a goal. He would be an absolute muscle machine at that weight and functionally stronger than most.

Again, he wouldn't be the biggest guy at middleweight, not even close.

I don't think he would be doing himself any favors at 205, the guys there are just as strong but faster.