D&D love: Pathfinder Kingmaker

This is one of the best adaptations of the 3.x system ever.

This game is excellent.  If you have played d&d or pathfinder, I would EXTREMELY recommend this game.

It has mediocre reviews primarily because if you have no clue about how the rule set works its going to be extremely unforgiving.  They did some hand holding to fix this which is why the more recent reviews are better.

If you know the rule set already, this game is a fucking gem.

Also if Amiri doesn't almost immediately become your favorite companion, you're probably a power bottom.

Criticisms of the game:  this will occasionally green screen for me in a few select areas which is super frustrating.  Ive pretty much solved this by leaving and coming back to the same area.

FAR FAR  less glitchy than pillars of eternity however, and they are few and far between.

Also, no crafting system.  This was the only big content  related disappointment.

I've heard good things about crafting mods, but I have yet to try them.

Also just to be clear, I'm specifically speaking of the video game and not the adventure series.  

That's good as well, but im speaking of the video game.

One of the biggest complaints that apparently turned the uninformed off in the game is the fact you can run into shit that can murder you at low level with ease if you run around aimlessly on the map. 

Also, while it's now explained more in game through the tutorial, swarms (which any D&D player can tell you are frustrating) were one of the early game encounters that were never explained.  

Apparently this led to over-and-over mass slaughter of people attempting to play it without prior game knowledge.  

I just tried Divinity Sin 2 coz it turns out that the new BG isn't finished. I have fuck all time (Divinity Sin2 is redicilous coz theres a million fuckin' things you gotta pickup) for these games so I just decided to get rid of Divinity Sin 2 and get Kingmaker instead. Nice review

the Pathfinder Inner Sea World guide is a great read

Ive been reading about Starfinder lately which is Pathfinder in the future. Its pretty cool too.

SpartaKick -

I just tried Divinity Sin 2 coz it turns out that the new BG isn't finished. I have fuck all time (Divinity Sin2 is redicilous coz theres a million fuckin' things you gotta pickup) for these games so I just decided to get rid of Divinity Sin 2 and get Kingmaker instead. Nice review

Divinity 2 was good.  I actually liked the combat much more in divinity 1...or at least the control aspect of the combat.  

Oh, super important.  

THIS GAME HAS A TURN BASED MODE NOW.

the game plays much faster, and similar to bauldrs gate in the normal mode.  It's still good that way.

But in turn based?  It actually plays like D&D.  Things like the charge skill, improved trip, sneak attacks, spells like grease, fireball, etc suddenly become far far far more useful.

I would extremely recommend the turn based mode.

Turn based is a huge improvement.  I was using the mod before they implemented it.

xNate -

Turn based is a huge improvement.  I was using the mod before they implemented it.

It actually plays like D&D.

I will play this game to completion prior to starting BG3

Playing bg3 with a friend right now.  It's fun we're 2 manning it.  I'llHave to check this game out. 

It’s really good. I agree. I had some problems w the kingdom mgt though - basically you can end up fucking up your kingdom through making bad kingdom mgt decisions. Thing is you don’t necessarily realize it until quite late. So I had to restart. 

 

Did not realize they made it turn based - i will have to check it out again!!

Loved it.  It becomes ridiculously hard towards the end so beware.  Currently trying BG3, so far so good.

Just finished Kingmaker a few weeks ago, tons of fun. Very reminiscent of Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2 back in the day.

I didn’t use the turn-based mod (wish I had!) but I did add a crafting mod, it was reasonably well done and didn’t allow for creating nuclear death swords +10 and silliness of that nature.

My hot chick aasimar monk was an unstoppable tank by the end of the game, a lot of end-game fights wound up with the whole team dropped and she was still fighting and she’d pull out the win.

I may replay it in a year or so with the turn-based mod and play a spellcaster just for the different experience.

And yeah, ROFL at all the people killed by swarms even after the game tells you to use a torch or area spell instead of a sword. Common sense, LOL.

None So Blind - Just finished Kingmaker a few weeks ago, tons of fun. Very reminiscent of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 back in the day.

I didn’t use the turn-based mod (wish I had!) but I did add a crafting mod, it was reasonably well done and didn’t allow for creating nuclear death swords +10 and silliness of that nature.

My hot chick aasimar monk was an unstoppable tank by the end of the game, a lot of end-game fights wound up with the whole team dropped and she was still fighting and she’d pull out the win.

I may replay it in a year or so with the turn-based mod and play a spellcaster just for the different experience.

And yeah, ROFL at all the people killed by swarms even after the game tells you to use a torch or area spell instead of a sword. Common sense, LOL.

Lol people that bitch about that kinda stuff are just stupid.  Hmm 100s of bugs. Maybe a regular attack won’t work? 

JiuJitsuHeyZeus -
None So Blind - Just finished Kingmaker a few weeks ago, tons of fun. Very reminiscent of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 back in the day.

I didn’t use the turn-based mod (wish I had!) but I did add a crafting mod, it was reasonably well done and didn’t allow for creating nuclear death swords +10 and silliness of that nature.

My hot chick aasimar monk was an unstoppable tank by the end of the game, a lot of end-game fights wound up with the whole team dropped and she was still fighting and she’d pull out the win.

I may replay it in a year or so with the turn-based mod and play a spellcaster just for the different experience.

And yeah, ROFL at all the people killed by swarms even after the game tells you to use a torch or area spell instead of a sword. Common sense, LOL.

Lol people that bitch about that kinda stuff are just stupid.  Hmm 100s of bugs. Maybe a regular attack won’t work? 

Yea, the reviews really give a skewed perspective on how absolutely fantastic this game really is.  Sacrificing the complexity, difficulty, and knowledge learning curves for the game would have made it fucking suck.

It goes to show you just how most games are built on a boring set of rails, even in sandbox environments.

Ignoring the missing crafting system (and really this could have been dropped in directly from the game) this is one of the best RPGs I've ever played on a computer.

Also, I would seriously suggest anybody replaying it turn based.  After playing both, the game is twice as memorable and interesting in turn-based.

JiuJitsuHeyZeus -

Playing bg3 with a friend right now.  It's fun we're 2 manning it.  I'llHave to check this game out. 

I heard its basically divinity 2 with 5th ed rules.  Is this pretty accurate?  

Which I'm fine with by the way.  I liked divinity 2, and I like 5th ed, so I cant imagine I wont like the game. 

Oh snap.

Owlcat games apparently raised 1 million already for a second pathfinder game last year.

So there will be another after this.  My nipples are hard

Thanks for the tip. I'll give this a try.

CavemanDave - 

Oh snap.

Owlcat games apparently raised 1 million already for a second pathfinder game last year.

So there will be another after this.  My nipples are hard

Yup, while this first one was based on the “Kingmaker” adventure (duh, LOL), this next one is based around “Wrath of the Righteous,” which is a fucking EPIC story involving huge “Lord of the Rings” style battles between thousands of opponents, and the player characters become these mythic demigod level heroes who fight demon lords in hell and things like that.

In all fairness, Kingmaker was probably Paizo’s most popular adventure, but mostly because it was so open-ended and gave you a blueprint for being an actual king/queen and ruling your land. Wrath of the Righteous was less popular, but primarily because the “mythic tier” rules were kind of a mess and the story is much less open-ended. That said, those two things lend themselves very well to a computer game, so I suspect this will be a fucking blast if they can get the mythic rules right.