"If you're the champion, you get paid the most. If you're ranked one through five; and next tier, six through 10, it makes all the sense in the world. The best example right now is a guy like Rashad Evans. He is ranked number four, but he doesn't get paid unless he fights - but he's taking up a spot. So what we need to do is, when somebody is inactive you pull them down. Then they can enter the rankings again when they fight."
http://www.mmamania.com/2014/12/5/7341751/dana-white-doesnt-want-guys-like-rashad-evans-taking-up-spot-in-new-ufc-rankings-reebok-mma
And the "control" begins...
They need to have a set computerized ranking system like how professional tennis has one. Obviously not the same because they play a lot more matches in tennis, but it needs to be all set in stone in terms of how it works. Fighters should get a set number of points based on the rankings of their opponents, it should only take into account the fights in the last 18-36 months, etc.
I don't know exactly how it should work just that it should NOT be based on anyone's opinion, even if those people giving their opinions are experts. No athlete's pay and opportunities should ever be based on how good someone else thinks you are via a vote. It should be based on how good you actually are.
They are setting up a system that has the same flaws that people complained about in college football for decades.
I think that system would be fair, even to people like Rashad. Institute a limit. like, if a fighter is out 9 months without a fight, then their names drop out of the system until activity. Until their next fight.
These rankings just kind of came up randomly to all the UGers, but as the UFC steps forward, they are going to be one of the most important things (i believe). I think sometime in the near future, we will get the fighter salaries. I think, given enough time, the fighters will develop a fighter union. Espn will be discussing "the fighter salary for #4 ranked (insert fighter title here)".
And that's all great. But really, I just want to see some good fights coming up. I want to see an Anderson fight, a Condit fight, Faber vs Edgar, Aldo vs Pettis, Cruz vs Dillishaw.
Morpheus1976 - "If you're the champion, you get paid the most. If you're ranked one through five; and next tier, six through 10, it makes all the sense in the world. The best example right now is a guy like Rashad Evans. He is ranked number four, but he doesn't get paid unless he fights - but he's taking up a spot. So what we need to do is, when somebody is inactive you pull them down. Then they can enter the rankings again when they fight."
http://www.mmamania.com/2014/12/5/7341751/dana-white-doesnt-want-guys-like-rashad-evans-taking-up-spot-in-new-ufc-rankings-reebok-mma
And the "control" begins...
Control? He's saying he doesn't want inactive fighters taking up a spot. You realize that Rashad loses zero dollars from doing this right? Rashad would get his spot back once he came back. Removing him means more people get paid more. The guy that was at 11 moving up to ten would probably appreciate it. Unless he was a UGer, then he'd complain first, think second.
time traveling 12er -Morpheus1976 - "If you're the champion, you get paid the most. If you're ranked one through five; and next tier, six through 10, it makes all the sense in the world. The best example right now is a guy like Rashad Evans. He is ranked number four, but he doesn't get paid unless he fights - but he's taking up a spot. So what we need to do is, when somebody is inactive you pull them down. Then they can enter the rankings again when they fight."
http://www.mmamania.com/2014/12/5/7341751/dana-white-doesnt-want-guys-like-rashad-evans-taking-up-spot-in-new-ufc-rankings-reebok-mma
And the "control" begins...
Control? He's saying he doesn't want inactive fighters taking up a spot. You realize that Rashad loses zero dollars from doing this right? Rashad would get his spot back once he came back. Removing him means more people get paid more. The guy that was at 11 moving up to ten would probably appreciate it. Unless he was a UGer, then he'd complain first, think second.
you do realize this applies most to injured champs?
Rankings should NOT be just one factor... tenure (how long they've been in the UFC) should be another factor and the last factor should be google/twitter search and trend data.
All 3 of these should be given a weight and factored in to come up with the sponsorship value for each fighter.
Jebus Christ - They need to have a set computerized ranking system like how professional tennis has one. Obviously not the same because they play a lot more matches in tennis, but it needs to be all set in stone in terms of how it works. Fighters should get a set number of points based on the rankings of their opponents, it should only take into account the fights in the last 18-36 months, etc.Amen Jebus!
I don't know exactly how it should work just that it should NOT be based on anyone's opinion, even if those people giving their opinions are experts. No athlete's pay and opportunities should ever be based on how good someone else thinks you are via a vote. It should be based on how good you actually are.
They are setting up a system that has the same flaws that people complained about in college football for decades.
I think you're dead on, especially about the rankings being made strictly on facts, no opinion.
Morpheus1976 -time traveling 12er -Morpheus1976 - "If you're the champion, you get paid the most. If you're ranked one through five; and next tier, six through 10, it makes all the sense in the world. The best example right now is a guy like Rashad Evans. He is ranked number four, but he doesn't get paid unless he fights - but he's taking up a spot. So what we need to do is, when somebody is inactive you pull them down. Then they can enter the rankings again when they fight."
http://www.mmamania.com/2014/12/5/7341751/dana-white-doesnt-want-guys-like-rashad-evans-taking-up-spot-in-new-ufc-rankings-reebok-mma
And the "control" begins...
Control? He's saying he doesn't want inactive fighters taking up a spot. You realize that Rashad loses zero dollars from doing this right? Rashad would get his spot back once he came back. Removing him means more people get paid more. The guy that was at 11 moving up to ten would probably appreciate it. Unless he was a UGer, then he'd complain first, think second.
you do realize this applies most to injured champs?
and???
MMALOGIC -
Rankings should NOT be just one factor... tenure (how long they've been in the UFC) should be another factor and the last factor should be google/twitter search and trend data.
All 3 of these should be given a weight and factored in to come up with the sponsorship value for each fighter.
Your last criteria might have flaws. The idiots on UG would wonder why Angela Magana is getting paid so much while they're phones are getting notifications of her tweets.
Since one of the biggest complaints here is that guys sit out forever, I would think everyone would be all for hitting them where it hurts if they aren't active.
The problem with that is guys might try to rush back too quickly from injuries...
MMALOGIC -Tenure should not dictate pay.
Rankings should NOT be just one factor... tenure (how long they've been in the UFC) should be another factor and the last factor should be google/twitter search and trend data.
All 3 of these should be given a weight and factored in to come up with the sponsorship value for each fighter.
This isn't a municipal job where any assclown gets the gold watch if he stays for 25 years.
It's about winning fights and whether or not people want to pay to see you fight win or lose.
A guy who wins them all and is champ should be paid the most.
But if you've got a guy on a losing streak who is actually a guy who can pop a PPV buy rate?
Well, he should be paid based on his name value.
Tenure means nothing.
Jamie Moyer pitched in baseball for a long time.
Who the fuck thinks he should have been one of the higher paid pitchers?
Thacommish -time traveling 12er -Morpheus1976 - "If you're the champion, you get paid the most. If you're ranked one through five; and next tier, six through 10, it makes all the sense in the world. The best example right now is a guy like Rashad Evans. He is ranked number four, but he doesn't get paid unless he fights - but he's taking up a spot. So what we need to do is, when somebody is inactive you pull them down. Then they can enter the rankings again when they fight."
http://www.mmamania.com/2014/12/5/7341751/dana-white-doesnt-want-guys-like-rashad-evans-taking-up-spot-in-new-ufc-rankings-reebok-mma
And the "control" begins...
Control? He's saying he doesn't want inactive fighters taking up a spot. You realize that Rashad loses zero dollars from doing this right? Rashad would get his spot back once he came back. Removing him means more people get paid more. The guy that was at 11 moving up to ten would probably appreciate it. Unless he was a UGer, then he'd complain first, think second.
Oh hi nate diaz you are having dispute with us about contract? takes sponsorship money away Turns out the media just ranked you out of the top 10, tough break kid. Sign here.
So the point is that you think there will be a conspiracy to change rankings against the advice of the media members votes? Lol. Which has nothing to do with the topic which is the idea that inactive fighters will be de-ranked as to not take a spot from an active fighter. You guys are all over the place.
The UFC rankings are objectively determined by independent MMA experts. DFW will not have any influence, other than to remove fighters who are inactive, raise fighters in the rankings who look like a fighter or to reduce a fighters rankings if they are renegotiating their contracts.
Koga - The UFC rankings are objectively determined by independent MMA experts. DFW will not have any influence, other than to remove fighters who are inactive, raise fighters in the rankings who look like a fighter or to reduce a fighters rankings if they are renegotiating their contracts.Dfw has the ability to exert some pretty solid influence on the average spineless mma media member tho, thru exclusive interviews, access to fighters, ect. That's the problem
Why the quotation marks in the title? Are you implying he is not actually Rashad?
This Reebok thing is the best thing since sliced bread and Dana White is completely fair and balanced when it comes to the fighters.
-UG Shills
Anyone that thinks they won't use this as a tactic to control pay you're out of you're mind.
They pull Rashad from the rankings to give another guy a spot - after how long ? It completely determines the fighters supplemental income (which usually is higher ) , Rashad fights and wins a couple times after wants to renegotiate his contract , Too bad you're only the 10th ranked fighter now. You're value is not as high ! I see no way this makes any stars more money. I hope someone can explain it once we see all the details. I think this deal if it isn't lucrative for the stars could be the beginning of fighters using there power.
The tennis system might make sense. Rank all fighters per weightclass and assign points per win/loss. That's how you move up/down.
For example. #3 fights #5 and loses.
There can be a weighted system that assigns points that adds to the fighter's total for the time period. Points are added for OTN bonuses and the type of win (KO/UD/SD/SUB/TKO) and the rank of the fighter beaten.
Fighting more and finishing your opponents definitely will help your ranking. Rushing early from injury can affect your performance and therefore your ranking. Awarding yearly bonuses might help too.
Morpheus1976 -As it should. I'm tired of all these champs sitting out for years once they become champs. I get that they want to be healed up for their title defense but they can't just hold up the division when there are contenders waiting that aren't injured and actually can fight.time traveling 12er -Morpheus1976 - "If you're the champion, you get paid the most. If you're ranked one through five; and next tier, six through 10, it makes all the sense in the world. The best example right now is a guy like Rashad Evans. He is ranked number four, but he doesn't get paid unless he fights - but he's taking up a spot. So what we need to do is, when somebody is inactive you pull them down. Then they can enter the rankings again when they fight."
http://www.mmamania.com/2014/12/5/7341751/dana-white-doesnt-want-guys-like-rashad-evans-taking-up-spot-in-new-ufc-rankings-reebok-mma
And the "control" begins...
Control? He's saying he doesn't want inactive fighters taking up a spot. You realize that Rashad loses zero dollars from doing this right? Rashad would get his spot back once he came back. Removing him means more people get paid more. The guy that was at 11 moving up to ten would probably appreciate it. Unless he was a UGer, then he'd complain first, think second.
you do realize this applies most to injured champs?
