I follow Danaher on Instagram and have seen him reference his "back attack system" when talking about his competitors on a few occasions, but he hasn't disclosed any information on what it exactly is. Does anybody know any specifics about it? Is it specific techniques, a philosophy, or something else entirely? 
Eddie Cummings in his last EBI win was taking the back off his usual leg attacks.
That's probably what Danaher's referencing
My bjj coach has been teaching us the same system for a while so it was cool to see eddie using it. I think my coach got it from marcelo Garcia who I assume danaher also got it from.
grab their wrists in like a gift wrap way, right hand grabs their left wrist, left hand grabs their right wrist and pull opposite directions, trap right arm with right leg and cross legs to lock it in, go two on one with the remaining left arm by grabbing the wrist with both hands, let go with one hand while controlling with the other hand and go for the choke while they have no hands to defend.
i think I saw Javier Vasquez teaching this one too. It's my go to on the back and I've been trying to master it. Takes a while to start getting it down.
im sure the system is a lot more then that one technique but that's the one eddie caught Sergio and mike Davila with and I think gordan Ryan was using it in overtime too?
We get a lot of our game from Marcelo garcia and I think a lot of other people do whether they know it or not lol. Arm drags, butterfly, back attacks, etc I wonder if John danaher would admit it.
Although now I think we are getting a lot from danaher with the leg attacks. As are a lot of other schools Id think. Even though my teacher has a long history with leg attacks since the 90s, I think he's been highly impressed by watching danahers guys and trying to implement the entries into his system. I mean he hasn't said this I just assume lol.
its funny cuz guys like dean lister have been using leg attacks since forever but what danaher is doing seems to be so much more effective then the old sambo and shooto and catch guys. They used leg attacks but they weren't getting em with such high percentages like eddie and gordan and not so fast. It's just insane to see someone like bill cooper get heel hooked in one minute after watching him survive with the best of the best for years. I don't like danaher but it's obvious he's changing the game with the way he's teaching these systems.
It seems like the leg attacks and back attacks are the highest percentage ways to finish so he's definitely going straight to the point. I wonder if we're gonna start seeing his guys go for the back more and more in new ways.
Was talking about this yesterday at BJJ would love to know more. 
TakinAllFades -My bjj coach has been teaching us the same system for a while so it was cool to see eddie using it. I think my coach got it from marcelo Garcia who I assume danaher also got it from.
grab their wrists in like a gift wrap way, right hand grabs their left wrist, left hand grabs their right wrist and pull opposite directions, trap right arm with right leg and cross legs to lock it in, go two on one with the remaining left arm by grabbing the wrist with both hands, let go with one hand while controlling with the other hand and go for the choke while they have no hands to defend.
i think I saw Javier Vasquez teaching this one too. It's my go to on the back and I've been trying to master it. Takes a while to start getting it down.
im sure the system is a lot more then that one technique but that's the one eddie caught Sergio and mike Davila with and I think gordan Ryan was using it in overtime too?
We get a lot of our game from Marcelo garcia and I think a lot of other people do whether they know it or not lol. Arm drags, butterfly, back attacks, etc I wonder if John danaher would admit it.
I highly doubt John would admit getting anything from anywhere else other than his own brain, lol. Im still waiting for his post about how he came up with the idea of Jiu Jitsu when he was in the womb as a way to defend himself from bullies BEFORE the bullying actually happened. Pre-Emptive BJJ.
I think Danaher's referring to the system they're formulating for taking the back, not the straight jacket once you're there. That was what Cummings was doing different at the last EBI
So what are they doing differently to take the back? I'll have to go back and watch all the matches that end in rnc but I can't recall seeing them do anything special. And again Id assume whatever they do they got from marcelo Garcia who is the master.
I'll go back and watch later.
I think its based on methods of control and attack sequences as everybody has a system of doing things and some are just higher percentage. It isn't just doing what random world champs do, there is a systematic way of feel as well as reactions that dictate what you do and how you employ it.
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TakinAllFades -Yeah this sounds right.My bjj coach has been teaching us the same system for a while so it was cool to see eddie using it. I think my coach got it from marcelo Garcia who I assume danaher also got it from.
grab their wrists in like a gift wrap way, right hand grabs their left wrist, left hand grabs their right wrist and pull opposite directions, trap right arm with right leg and cross legs to lock it in, go two on one with the remaining left arm by grabbing the wrist with both hands, let go with one hand while controlling with the other hand and go for the choke while they have no hands to defend.
i think I saw Javier Vasquez teaching this one too. It's my go to on the back and I've been trying to master it. Takes a while to start getting it down.
im sure the system is a lot more then that one technique but that's the one eddie caught Sergio and mike Davila with and I think gordan Ryan was using it in overtime too?
We get a lot of our game from Marcelo garcia and I think a lot of other people do whether they know it or not lol. Arm drags, butterfly, back attacks, etc I wonder if John danaher would admit it.
A ton of the dds game looks Marcelo influenced. Ironic considering their rivalry
The only problem w claiming its all Marcelo influenced (and I am a Alliance guy btw) is that he wasn't the first guy using armdrags, x guard, back attacks, etc. Depending on who you came up with, its stuff that your particular school was already doing. For instance if you want to see a similar game to Marcelo before Marcelo was known go back and watch JJ Machado in his initial ADCC runs. If anything Marcelo popularized alot of moves to a wider audience w how dynamic he is and fantastic a person he is, but like Mario Sperry said what's old is new depending on generation is looking at it.
burner22 -TakinAllFades -Yeah this sounds right.My bjj coach has been teaching us the same system for a while so it was cool to see eddie using it. I think my coach got it from marcelo Garcia who I assume danaher also got it from.
grab their wrists in like a gift wrap way, right hand grabs their left wrist, left hand grabs their right wrist and pull opposite directions, trap right arm with right leg and cross legs to lock it in, go two on one with the remaining left arm by grabbing the wrist with both hands, let go with one hand while controlling with the other hand and go for the choke while they have no hands to defend.
i think I saw Javier Vasquez teaching this one too. It's my go to on the back and I've been trying to master it. Takes a while to start getting it down.
im sure the system is a lot more then that one technique but that's the one eddie caught Sergio and mike Davila with and I think gordan Ryan was using it in overtime too?
We get a lot of our game from Marcelo garcia and I think a lot of other people do whether they know it or not lol. Arm drags, butterfly, back attacks, etc I wonder if John danaher would admit it.
A ton of the dds game looks Marcelo influenced. Ironic considering their rivalry
There's just a ton of influence between all places now. Look at the 10p guys using the dds leg details (and I'm not saying the moves were invented), but everybody's influencing each other and each contributing a few details.
I'm sure that in the development of the guillotine and RNCs, there's been a bunch of back and forth as I see details from both (or that in my mind I associate with a particular place).
I think MG's moving more into a crufifix (ie perpendicular torso), while DDS is using the leg trap from a more traditional back position (when looking at torsos). I also haven't seen MG mention getting to the "wrong" side and using your elbow frame on the mat to push your opponent's elbow out to a trapable spot.
I'm sure we're going to see the MG guys looking a lot like the DDS guys with the leg attacks and defense. Even if it's not a focus of their offense, they need to be adept at it at least for defense.
Telles taught me this year's ago
TakinAllFades -This 150%. I've been studying MGinAction since spring 2011, and that was the first place I saw those back attacks being taught/used.My bjj coach has been teaching us the same system for a while so it was cool to see eddie using it. I think my coach got it from marcelo Garcia who I assume danaher also got it from.
grab their wrists in like a gift wrap way, right hand grabs their left wrist, left hand grabs their right wrist and pull opposite directions, trap right arm with right leg and cross legs to lock it in, go two on one with the remaining left arm by grabbing the wrist with both hands, let go with one hand while controlling with the other hand and go for the choke while they have no hands to defend.
i think I saw Javier Vasquez teaching this one too. It's my go to on the back and I've been trying to master it. Takes a while to start getting it down.
im sure the system is a lot more then that one technique but that's the one eddie caught Sergio and mike Davila with and I think gordan Ryan was using it in overtime too?
We get a lot of our game from Marcelo garcia and I think a lot of other people do whether they know it or not lol. Arm drags, butterfly, back attacks, etc I wonder if John danaher would admit it.
The back stuff Rener teaches is sick
Hunter V - The only problem w claiming its all Marcelo influenced (and I am a Alliance guy btw) is that he wasn't the first guy using armdrags, x guard, back attacks, etc. Depending on who you came up with, its stuff that your particular school was already doing. For instance if you want to see a similar game to Marcelo before Marcelo was known go back and watch JJ Machado in his initial ADCC runs. If anything Marcelo popularized alot of moves to a wider audience w how dynamic he is and fantastic a person he is, but like Mario Sperry said what's old is new depending on generation is looking at it.
You are right. In bjj it's hard to claim to be the first to do something, u might have thought of it on your own but chances are someone's done it before. I say marcelo because he popularized that style, of course people did it before him but the way he was getting to the back so quick and at a high percentage people took notice. Jj machado was another innovator in a time when everyone kept their guard closed.
I remember hearing people talk about jj machados old book having all these modern techniques in it. I haven't seen it or can't remember if I did but apparently it has a lot of these new moves in it that we didn't think we're done before. It's not a surprise that a guy like eddie bravo was a product of him.
and I agree with the mg guys having to adapt to the danaher style, they have no choice whether they like it or not they gotta know it or they're gonna fall victim. I feel like both those camps try to stay ahead of the other and as of right now it seems like danaher is a little ahead which is saying a lot. And that makes me think the marcelo guys are gonna come out with some new shit soon. One of these days I'm gonna pull the trigger on mginaction, definitely worth it.
This thread reminded me of a step i have a hard time working on. Which is actually getting that arm under the chin. I know Baret Yoshida uses wrist under nose(using pain to open up space), I've seen Tonon go over chin and squeeze, I also see what Gordon Ryan was doing to (forget his name) in EBI where he knuckles their chin and slips in arm.
Is there a video that goes over these different approaches? I've been working on taking the back and I end up just hand fighting and taking too long eventually losing position. I need some help dealing the deal
Sealing*