No comparison. Cain was very good and he dominated the competition in his prime, but Cormier has not lost at HW. Injuries did derail Cain, but that is part of the game. He also was stopped in all 3 of his losses. DC as a better HW than Cain based on resume.
As a side note, hard to believe that Cain was only 8-0 when he destroyed Brock 9 years ago!!!
People are hilarious. You obviously just started watching mma if you think anyone but Fedor is the goat at hw.
You can maybe make an argument that Jones has surpassed him as goat overall or even if you put gsp into the convo I wouldn't be mad but there is no one at heavyweight that's close to fedors accomplishments.
The guy was literally ranked #1 in the world for 7 fucking years straight.
http://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Fedor+Emelianenko/1486/
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Cain was the most overrated fighter of all time
onepunchJD - BreakALegAndy! - yabadaba - Neither are in the running IMO. Stipe, Werdum or Fedor.
DC beats all 3 with ease. Fedor has turned into a broken can crusher.
Fighters get old.
Par for the course.
Prime Fedor was arguably the best ever.
Prime Fedor is arguably top 3 at best.
phatcat - Cain was the most overrated fighter of all time
I agree. He got KO’d clean and cold in his prime. Yet Rogan can’t go a podcast without mentioning him as the greatest.
Jayn200 - People are hilarious. You obviously just started watching mma if you think anyone but Fedor is the goat at hw.
You can maybe make an argument that Jones has surpassed him as goat overall or even if you put gsp into the convo I wouldn't be mad but there is no one at heavyweight that's close to fedors accomplishments.
The guy was literally ranked #1 in the world for 7 fucking years straight.
http://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Fedor+Emelianenko/1486/
7 years. It's crazy to think about. Seriously, in the history of mankind, who else has been considered the #1 best fighter on earth for 7 straight years? Marciano... Louis... Fedor.
How many times in combat sports has the best overall fighter also been considered the best pound for pound fighter? Extremely rare. Since wieghtclasses have been standardized in MMA, only one HW has been considered the best pound for pound fighter. Fedor. And he held that title for most of those seven years.
So in 20 odd years of weightclasses Fedor has been the pound for pound best for 1/3 of those years. No one else has even had a sniff in those 20 years.
Thats greatness.
Yes, how soon they forget.
MrColdCock's post I mean.
Siciliano di Brooklyn - phatcat - Cain was the most overrated fighter of all time
I agree. He got KO’d clean and cold in his prime. Yet Rogan can’t go a podcast without mentioning him as the greatest.
I dont think Cain is the GOAT.
But like all the HWs mentioned ed when discussing the group of best ever – Cain at his best brought some formidable problems to the fight.
He is one of the best I have ever seen at fishing out punishment with his fists in close range/clinch transition – especially against the cage with an opponent fighting against a takedown.
Cain unloaded heavy leather off the break and working the fence. Just look how much damage he did to a tough-as-nails JDS.
The other thing about Cain, is the pace he would set.
Cain would punish and grind and takedown and throw bombs inside and clinch up and punish and grind again – relentlessly – for 5 rounds.
Cain set a pace that is rare at HW.
So he had the wrestling and control. He had above average standup with bonus points fighting in close. And he set a fast yet consistently damaging pace.
He wasnt just methodically wearing you down – he was dropping bombs on your skull in the process.
No, I don’t think Cain is the best ever.
And I don’t think his repetitive and injury plaqued career put him near the GOAT conversation.
But at his best, he was certainly one if the most effective and dangerous HWs ever.
A tough fight for anyone.
Jayn200 - People are hilarious. You obviously just started watching mma if you think anyone but Fedor is the goat at hw.
You can maybe make an argument that Jones has surpassed him as goat overall or even if you put gsp into the convo I wouldn't be mad but there is no one at heavyweight that's close to fedors accomplishments.
The guy was literally ranked #1 in the world for 7 fucking years straight.
http://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Fedor+Emelianenko/1486/
Prime fedor gets destroyed by DC, sorry
plus it's a real fight, not a fake one in japan
not saying all his were fake but I'd say 0.001% chance he didn't have any at all
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much - Jayn200 - People are hilarious. You obviously just started watching mma if you think anyone but Fedor is the goat at hw.
You can maybe make an argument that Jones has surpassed him as goat overall or even if you put gsp into the convo I wouldn't be mad but there is no one at heavyweight that's close to fedors accomplishments.
The guy was literally ranked #1 in the world for 7 fucking years straight.
http://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Fedor+Emelianenko/1486/
Prime fedor gets destroyed by DC, sorry
plus it's a real fight, not a fake one in japan
not saying all his were fake but I'd say 0.001% chance he didn't have any at all
You just exposed yourself.
You didn’t watch Pride as it happened – and don’t pretend you did.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much - Jayn200 - People are hilarious. You obviously just started watching mma if you think anyone but Fedor is the goat at hw.
You can maybe make an argument that Jones has surpassed him as goat overall or even if you put gsp into the convo I wouldn't be mad but there is no one at heavyweight that's close to fedors accomplishments.
The guy was literally ranked #1 in the world for 7 fucking years straight.
http://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Fedor+Emelianenko/1486/
Prime fedor gets destroyed by DC, sorry
plus it's a real fight, not a fake one in japan
not saying all his were fake but I'd say 0.001% chance he didn't have any at all
Which Pride Fedor fights do you think were fake?
MrColdCock - If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much - Jayn200 - People are hilarious. You obviously just started watching mma if you think anyone but Fedor is the goat at hw.
You can maybe make an argument that Jones has surpassed him as goat overall or even if you put gsp into the convo I wouldn't be mad but there is no one at heavyweight that's close to fedors accomplishments.
The guy was literally ranked #1 in the world for 7 fucking years straight.
http://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Fedor+Emelianenko/1486/
Prime fedor gets destroyed by DC, sorry
plus it's a real fight, not a fake one in japan
not saying all his were fake but I'd say 0.001% chance he didn't have any at all
Which Pride Fedor fights do you think were fake?
Some people don’t realize…
We can go back to early Pancrase days – and there have been exhaustive discussions about which matches had pre-determined outcomes.
The disagreements – among the most historically knowledgeable posters – come down to literally a handful of fights.
That’s early Pancrase.
Pride has some of the most obviously and violently REAL fights in MMA history.
The few fights we KNOW are suspect – are nearly universally agreed upon.
The FEW that are debatable, are only “debatable” on the fringe – and do not have much impact on significant MMA history.
This has also occured in the UFC.
The ONLY way to legitimately debate potential “worked” fights – is on a fight-by-fight basis.
Throwing a blanket over the topic, only exposes ignorance of a complex subject.
What a silly thread title