what are some options for stopping/ slowing down a big guy (no gi) when he is intent on stapling your knee and driving through to side control?
- He needs grips for establishing control of you. Dont let him get a underhook. So handfightinging.
- Inside de la riva hook will make it impossible for him to drive his knee forward.
- If you are a bit late. Use your knee as a Z-guard and make a frame with your forearm against his neck. Then reguard
- If you are really late. Turn to your knees and reguard.
Oh damn.. Have really been trying to figure this out recently. It seems when ever they push that knee down, it's basically lost, at least in current position. Would like to see other's ideas, but I will find myself focusing my efforts against that side, the side they will try to pass against. Hopefully I get my knee back up and I guess u could pull rubber guard? I dunno 
The Mongoose - Oh damn.. Have really been trying to figure this out recently. It seems when ever they push that knee down, it's basically lost, at least in current position. Would like to see other's ideas, but I will find myself focusing my efforts against that side, the side they will try to pass against. Hopefully I get my knee back up and I guess u could pull rubber guard? I dunno <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Having one knee in the mat is no problem as long as they don't control your knees, hip or upper body. If you dont let him get that control you are free to move around. If someone kneeslides and have no grips all you have to do is push them away or move yourself out of the way.
One more easy thing to do is make sure you have the underhook. If they kneeslide and you underhook it's really easy to just stand up or shrimp away.
The key to a successful kneeslide pass is to put your oponent flat on their back. So if they can't do that your guard will not get passed.
if he knee slides w/out underhooking your opposite arm, he's losing. just come out the back and reverse.
i am a big guy. i cut pass a lot. those that give me trouble are the guys that frame w/ a z-guard and just back away to make space.
thanks guys!
Big guy here. Subscribing so I learn to counter whatever counters you guys come up with :)
Haha good work big guys. -- what is this z guard y'all speaking of now. I'm sure I could google it, but well yeah.
hakkas - - He needs grips for establishing control of you. Dont let him get a underhook. So handfightinging.
- Inside de la riva hook will make it impossible for him to drive his knee forward.
- If you are a bit late. Use your knee as a Z-guard and make a frame with your forearm against his neck. Then reguard
- If you are really late. Turn to your knees and reguard.
The above list is pretty comprehensive. I would add that if you can grab his heel early, you can leg press his leg straight with the back of your thigh against his upper shin (basic De La Riva mechanics). Best used in conjunction with the inside DLR hook. Also, if you get the inside DLR hook and direct his knee outward, but his knee is too far forward for you to get his weight off you, you can pull him into 'mount' (with your inside knee as a shield) and bring your outside foot to his hip for 1LXG or a leg lock.
If it's too late to get the inside DLR hook, a pretty good defense is to push the knee to the outside with your hands and dive to deep half. Or, if you're Ryan Hall, just knee him in the butt to make him overcommit to the pass, then back-roll and snatch up the 50/50.
Funny how I 'know' so many counters to this pass, yet good guys pass me with it all the time ...
The Mongoose - Haha good work big guys. -- what is this z guard y'all speaking of now. I'm sure I could google it, but well yeah. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
The knee that's not touching the mat. Put it against his hip and push away.
At the same time. Use your forearm against his neck and push away.
"lean backwards" so you change the angle.
This will allow you to bring your leg that is pushed down against the mat up and reguard.
if hes comin in low enough puss the head or neck aside and pull your body out to the side.
wow! thanks gang!
when you say inside dlr hook, do you mean reverse dlr?
im assuming you mean use the reverse dlr hook to push his knee outward so he cant drive forward?
pocotouro - wow! thanks gang!
when you say inside dlr hook, do you mean reverse dlr?
im assuming you mean use the reverse dlr hook to push his knee outward so he cant drive forward?
That is correct. Don't forget to grab your oponents foot.
hakkas -pocotouro - wow! thanks gang!
when you say inside dlr hook, do you mean reverse dlr?
im assuming you mean use the reverse dlr hook to push his knee outward so he cant drive forward?
That is correct. Don't forget to grab your oponents foot.
awesome! thanks for the quick response!
reverse dlr is not that great. i smash that shit w/ impunity. i'm also extremely flexible though. it gives guys a weird look because i can play rubber guard and i'm a bigger guy.
stick w/ z-guard. reverse dlr isn't as high percentage... against me that is.
i assume the pass ur talkin about is where he does the knee right thru the middle? i was having trouble with this recently and went back to go old Mr. Sperry and he recommends kicking back and goin into butterfly guard so ive been playin alot with that and i like it...just another option
thanks thrill!
empire thanks for the big boy perspective :)
the guys that give me most trouble are the tall fuckers. the guys who even if i cut bass have an omoplata nearly locked as i pass. have to take different approach.
there are a couple really big guys. one isa 300 lbs guy (in shape) at teh gym. blue belt who is very strong. other is 260, another at 260+.
if i can not beat him w/ an arm drag or keep him at bay w/ a very active butterfly. i will not do JACK SHIT unless i have the half guard w/ a knee shield or z-guard going on. at that point it's VERY HARD to frame away. im strong but hes' fucking strong. i actually get a lot of success w/ a deep half guard. not a deep half guard where you chill out or give them a chance to settle. i mean a deep half where you are constantly threatening base and/or switching to an x-guard deep half hybrid. you gotta get under them and keep disturbing their balance.
anyways, that's what i do against REALLY big guys.
also if someone is in a position to cut pass... get their same side arm in an armdrag position. grip their wrist and tricep.... don't worry about the pulling across your body just yet. focus more on driving their wrist between their legs. this is a timing thing. you will have to get out of the way if they committ to the slide/cut pass. i use this against the guys bigger than me.
and im not big like some tall beast. im 5'10 230lbs. really broad shoulders, no neck. stocky guy. im big in size i guess but my game is very much a smaller guy's.
the other bigger guys play that really heavy crush game. when i started out over a decade ago, the only training partners i had were smaller, faster, and in many cases stronger (mat-wise at least) superb wrestlers. i was bigger adn "stronger" but they forced me to learn a faster small guy's game.