I have no clue what this means.
I think you need to look up at Herb Dean and say, "The Pythagorean theorem is named after the Greek mathmetician Pythagoras"
define it for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_HGpSp8aS30#t=788s
13 mins in, Big John gives some insight.
"We don't care if you're successful, we care that you try"
Eunuchorn -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_HGpSp8aS30#t=788s
13 mins in, Big John gives some insight.
"We don't care if you're successful, we care that you try"
thanks. Makes sense.
It may not be reffed consistently, but BJM's description sounds good.
I have always felt "Intelligently defending yourself" was a way of saying fight back, and to me is often reffed that way. I've seen guys cover up well and still get stopped.
I haven't seen any bad stoppages lately, but I have seen some in the past where I felt the fighter was defending himself well, just not fighting back.
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Chasen -dangerboy12 -Eunuchorn -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_HGpSp8aS30#t=788s
13 mins in, Big John gives some insight.
"We don't care if you're successful, we care that you try"
thanks. Makes sense.
It may not be reffed consistently, but BJM's description sounds good.
I have always felt "Intelligently defending yourself" was a way of saying fight back, and to me is often reffed that way. I've seen guys cover up well and still get stopped.
I haven't seen any bad stoppages lately, but I have seen some in the past where I felt the fighter was defending himself well, just not fighting back.
How'd you feel about the Robbie/Koscheck finish?
It was fine. The dispute over the stoppage reminded me of my long time confusion with the term, but it did not coincide with it.
dangerboy12 - I have no clue what this means.
For most refs its pretty simple, the main thing is that you are trying to protect yourself from damage and doing at least some sort of a job doing it (doesn't have to be good).
Now in the Kos/Robbie fight Kos's hands were just laying out there. He was making no attempt to shield. He just was taking clean shots to the face and not doing anything about it, therefor he wasn't intelligently defending himself. I have no problem with the stoppage he was doing nothing to defend himself.
Now some guys when in trouble go on the offensive when hurt. Like grab desperately for a single leg, of swing for the fences. Because this is a way of trying to get out of trouble, this can be considered that he was trying to defend himself because he's trying to get into a better position.
deadlysyn -dangerboy12 - I have no clue what this means.
For most refs its pretty simple, the main thing is that you are trying to protect yourself from damage and doing at least some sort of a job doing it (doesn't have to be good).
Now in the Kos/Robbie fight Kos's hands were just laying out there. He was making no attempt to shield. He just was taking clean shots to the face and not doing anything about it, therefor he wasn't intelligently defending himself. I have no problem with the stoppage he was doing nothing to defend himself.
Now some guys when in trouble go on the offensive when hurt. Like grab desperately for a single leg, of swing for the fences. Because this is a way of trying to get out of trouble, this can be considered that he was trying to defend himself because he's trying to get into a better position.
I personally don't think swinging for the fences is intelligently defending yourself. In fact, it's probably the worst defense.
Yet if you swing for the fences, the fight will not be stopped no matter how many concussions you are receiving. This is my main problem with the term "Intelligently defending yourself."
But yes, the Lawler fight was a fine stoppage. On the other hand, Grice should have been stopped IMO. Just because a guy doesn't fall or go out, doesn't mean he isn't in danger of getting a serious head injury.
The Koschek fight was stopped because Kos went out. When lawler throws the first left hand during that flurry on the finish you can see Kos go limp and his eyes roll back. Either his head hitting the mat after that strike, or the following right hand woke Kos back up. Stuff like that happens all the time.
Sometimes it's hard to see something like that. However, if you go unconscious at any point during an mma fight, it's over. You lose. A ref may be in a great position (like the ref was during the kos/lawler finish) and will see that subtle KO, and sometimes they will be in a bad position and will not and the fight will continue.
I've probably judged close to 4,000 amateur fights now in the Chicagoland area and ive seen some weird KO/TKOs. People have been KO'd on their feet while standing and the fall to the mat wakes them up and then they are in fight or flight and can recover eventually. A good ref should be able to see something like that and stop the fight, though.
Sometimes simply covering up is not enough to warrant an intelligent defense. Ultimately it is up to the ref to deem when a defending fighter is at the point to where he will not recover, even if he's covered up and taking shots...sometimes even if he's still moving around. If you ever cover and roll to your side, or turtle, odds are the bout is going to get stopped.
Also, in my personal opinion, if a fighter ever receives a strike while standing and face plants, the fight should be stopped. Human beings don't have a tendency to smash their face on the floor, so odds are they just got KO'd.
If you're blocking shots with your face instead of your hand/arms, you are not intelligently defending yourself. If your opponent has you flattened out on your stomach while he has your back, and all your doing is covering up while taking a number of excessive shots, you are not intelligently defending yourself. If you are on your side after you've taken a hard shot, and you're opponent is hammer fisting you constantly and the referee gives you a warning that he's going to stop it if you don't defend yourself, and then does after you've continued to take shots, your defense wasn't an intelligent one. Every one of the situations is subjective and all depends on how the Referee is assessing the damage being taken and how responsive the fighter is being.