DFW is the Bob Reilly of women's MMA

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                    <p>Mixed Martial&nbsp;Arts is not the world's fastest growing sport, UFC is. Take away the UFC, and what is left is at best a generation or two away from the mainstream.</p>

With the purchase of Strikeforce by Zuffa, the potential exists for that promotion to be morphed into a regional feeder, or to simply fade to black. Were either of those possibilities to happen, women's MMA (WMMA) will be gutted.

Fighting professionally is an extraordinarily tough job, even in the UFC. For those trying to get into the UFC, it is tougher still, with a miniscule sponsor base, short purses, and often not even health insurance, in a game where people are trying to hurt you daily. Take away Strikeforce, and women's MMA will be stuck in the regional basement, with nowhere to go.

UFC President Dana White has repeatedly detailed a well-reasoned stance agaist WMMA - there simply are not enough top-level female athletes fighting right now to build several divisions around.

However, in a curbside interview with TMZ earlier this year, White was asked directly "When are we going to see women in the UFC?"

His reply was characteristicaly blunt: "Never."

Then for anyone who remained unclear, he repeated himself: "Never."

In short, Dana White is the Bob Reilly of women's MMA.

This is too bad, as women's MMA has it's share of the Holy F------ S--- moments that define MMA, and can pull huge numbers. While the peak of UFC on Fox was a record breaking 8.8 million viewers, Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young earned 5.5 million viewers.

However, White's attude towards WMMA was recently profiled by journalist of the year Ariel Helwani, and things could, maybe, be warming, an itty bit.

When talking about the late stoppage in the Chris Weidman-Tom Lawlor bout, White said he felt there was also a late stoppage in the Ronda Rousey-Julia Budd fight the night before at Strikeforce Challengers in Las Vegas.

The mention was a surprising one for obvious reasons, but it got me wondering whether White, who, along with his partners at Zuffa, now owns Strikeforce, was warming up to the idea of promoting women's fights.

Not so fast. The UFC president still believes the divisions are too shallow on talent right now.

"As the sport continues to grow and as time goes on, maybe that will change," White said. "Maybe it will change or maybe less women will get involved, I don't know. We'll see what happens. Time will only tell. I don't know. But yeah, I still feel the same way."

After Gina Carano's absence took some of the spotlight away from the female fighters, the buzz seems to be coming back, thanks in large part to the emergence of Ronda Rousey, who White admitted after the presser that he was impressed with.

"She's talented," White said. "Great fights."

So for now, women's MMA fans will have to settle on a mention from White. You gotta start somewhere.

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Dana's face is fitting for the topic.
Caption should read:

DAT ASS Phone Post

 Dana's never been anti-WMMA, he's anti-there's like 10 good female fighters in the world and they're spread out across multiple weight classes.



The depth isn't there. It will be. Once it is you will likely see more and more shift in his 'opinions'.


Claiming that a one-word answer provided to a paparazzi reporter in a curbside interview represents a change in his stance is asinine. Dana didn't want to talk the guy so he gave him a glib one-word answer and got the fuck out of there.

never??

well, that's great news for a budding entrepreneur. their is money to be made from it. not enough fighters is a poor excuse to not have any fights at all. it just is. we'll probably see Faber/Cruz 10 before we see a female fight in the UFC.

lordbreakdown -  not enough fighters is a poor excuse to not have any fights at all. it just is.


 It really isn't. Look at Cris Cyborg's career thus far, it's been plagued by lack of opponents and crush fights and she's arguably the best living female MMA fighter.



When the best fighter in WMMA can't even come close to finding good match-ups you gotta wonder how somebody's supposed to build divisions, challengers, gatekeepers, etc.

Steve4192 - 

Claiming that a one-word answer provided to a paparazzi reporter in a curbside interview represents a change in his stance is asinine. Dana didn't want to talk the guy so he gave him a glib one-word answer and got the fuck out of there.


 The never quote does not represent a change, it is something that Dana has voied repeatedly over the years. The change is the softening on the point.

Chris Power - 
lordbreakdown -  not enough fighters is a poor excuse to not have any fights at all. it just is.


 It really isn't. Look at Cris Cyborg's career thus far, it's been plagued by lack of opponents and crush fights and she's arguably the best living female MMA fighter.



When the best fighter in WMMA can't even come close to finding good match-ups you gotta wonder how somebody's supposed to build divisions, challengers, gatekeepers, etc.

I personally think the UFC looks at it as a liability, and not the reason we're given.  Rousey wants to fight her..

There will be women in the UFC eventually without a doubt. Dana isn't a stupid person and when there's enough interest and more than just a handful of "draws", you can bet you'll see females grace the octagon. On a much smaller scale in the NAAFS, we've headlined several female fights that went over well here in Ohio. The decibel level in the crowd always goes up when the ladies take the cage so I know there's a market for them. Won't be long.... Phone Post

lordbreakdown - 
Chris Power - 
lordbreakdown -  not enough fighters is a poor excuse to not have any fights at all. it just is.


 It really isn't. Look at Cris Cyborg's career thus far, it's been plagued by lack of opponents and crush fights and she's arguably the best living female MMA fighter.



When the best fighter in WMMA can't even come close to finding good match-ups you gotta wonder how somebody's supposed to build divisions, challengers, gatekeepers, etc.

I personally think the UFC looks at it as a liability, and not the reason we're given.  Rousey wants to fight her..


 Ok, so let's say she fights Rousey (who is entirely undeserving of such a fight at this point, though I guess people like Finney weren't exactly deserving either), who's next after that? And after that? And after that? The well dries up preeeeeeeetty quickly.



If they wanted to have one-off woman fights sometimes that would work, but it's not the UFC's business model. They want divisions with various echelons of fighters, and quite frankly that simply isn't possible in WMMA right now.



As I said though, it will be. And once it begins to look like it is, Dana will spin it to look like he's been secretly planning it all along.

Kirik -
Steve4192 -
Claiming that a one-word answer provided to a paparazzi reporter in a curbside interview represents a change in his stance is asinine. Dana didn't want to talk the guy so he gave him a glib one-word answer and got the fuck out of there.

The never quote does not represent a change, it is something that Dana has voied repeatedly over the years. The change is the softening on the point.


I disagree.

Dana has always said he would consider women's MMA when the divisions get deep enough. He gave that same response back in 2008 when EliteXC went out of business and people were asking him about Gina fighting in the UFC.

His current stance is the same old stance he has always had.

Steve4192 - 
Kirik -
Steve4192 -

Claiming that a one-word answer provided to a paparazzi reporter in a curbside interview represents a change in his stance is asinine. Dana didn't want to talk the guy so he gave him a glib one-word answer and got the fuck out of there.


The never quote does not represent a change, it is something that Dana has voied repeatedly over the years. The change is the softening on the point.





I disagree.



Dana has always said he would consider women's MMA when the divisions get deep enough. He gave that same response back in 2008 when EliteXC went out of business and people were asking him about Gina fighting in the UFC.



His current stance is the same old stance he has always had.


 I don't want to get into an extended quarrel on the UG over it, or ever a short one. Historically Dana has said over and over that he simply is not comfortable with women fighting. "I'm not a huge fan of women fighting. Period." That was 2007.



You can google it. Bottom line is that historically, Dana has said he just doesn't like seeing women punch women in the face. I am not criticizing the guy for that, just pointing it out.


The way the front page post is presented, it makes it look like Ariel Helwani said that Dana White is the Bob Reilly of WMMA. Basically you guys wrote an article that was quite a bit more inflammatory and then put Ariel Helwani as the source?..

I've always agreed with Dana on this one. I love Woman's MMA and have seen some great fights and I totally support woman fighting, however its true fights can be so extremely lopsided and I've even seen fights that both girls just look horrible fighting like they don't even belong in the cage. The problem which he has stated a couple of times is that the talent pool is shallow at best.

By nature females just aren't really into sports. And as far as mainstream is concerned the only few I can think of that are the most popular with women are basketball, volleyball, softball (which is not even baseball) and soccer. Women participate in many other sports but as a population those have the biggest numbers with in high school and college. On the PRO level its a different story. Out of those the biggest is probably the WNBA but that escapes the public spot light and mainstream consumption fairly well, Softball is so hidden from the public eye, and volleyball probably one of the only that is just as popular as men's on the pro level but the sport as a whole isn't that popular.

UFC is the NFL, NBA, MLB of MMA. To stay that way they must stick with the best. I would like Zuffa to keep Strikeforce around as the minor leagues and let the women stay there. But its hard from a business standpoint to keep it a float when you have such a bigger fish to feed in the UFC.

Dana White is 100% SPOT ON.


I don't mind watching one women MMA fight on Strikeforce...for FREE.


But I SURE AS HELL am not gonna pay $50 for a PPV and have one of the FEW fights shown WASTED on a fight w/ girls...Sorry...Don't want to see slower, weaker, sloppier...not pay for it anyway

Do NOT want to see a pretty girl get her teeth knocked out....and definitely DO NOT want to pay $$ to see two ugly butch bull dyke dude-looking girls beating the crap out of each other either...Leave that slot for a man fight at 145-155lbs or something.

 Why is this credited to Ariel Helwani? He didn't write the long-winded introduction. Who did write it? Chris? Because whoever did, you are putting your words into his mouth. Maybe Ariel will have his own "holy fucking shit moment" when he sees that this goofy Dana-worshipping prose has been grafted onto his otherwise credibly written column.

Chris Power -  Dana's never been anti-WMMA, he's anti-there's like 10 good female fighters in the world and they're spread out across multiple weight classes.

The depth isn't there. It will be. Once it is you will likely see more and more shift in his 'opinions'.



Listen, for me, anyone who participates in MMA has at least a few things about them I respect. I have repeatedly come to the conclusion that I do not have what it takes to climb into the cage, so I am always reflecting on what I am watching, why I love the sport, how to properly appreciate it. It is why I also feel that this is not a inherently disrespectful statement on the fighter who already DO participate in MMA. I make qualitative statements about fighters' skill sets all the time, it is a necessary part of my fanaticism and interest in the sport.

However I honestly strongly disagree that depth in WMMA will ever be "there" to justify "beating out" so to speak, the programming exposure of male fighters.