UFC president Dana White stands by his claims for the past couple of years that there is no question Anderson Silva remains the top pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.
“Anderson Silva, not only has he wiped out the 85lb division, he also beat a couple of guys at 205. This whole debate about pound-for-pound…love Georges St-Pierre, Georges St-Pierre’s awesome, huge superstar and everything, he lost not too long ago to Matt Serra by knockout."
"This guy’s never lost in the UFC and he moved up another weight division and beat two f------ tough guys at that weight ... This guy’s knocked off all the best guys. He hasn’t lost a fight since 2006, it’s almost 2011."
“Frankie Edgar, his only loss to Gray Maynard in his entire career, and just beat B.J. Penn twice, and he really doesn’t f------ belong at 55, he should be in a lighter weight division. That’s what pound for pound means."
“I’d put him above Jose Aldo. Jose Aldo’s incredibly, amazingly talented, but he has not accomplished what Frankie Edgar has.”
Dana really likes Edgar. He keeps bringing him up everytime he's asked about p4p. But I don't buy it. And I think Maynard will put an end to that silliness.
Pound for Pound is about who would be the best "if" everyone were the same weight. Who is bigger between Frankie Edger and Uriah Faber? I doubt Frankie is any bigger then Uriah. I'd like to see him fight at Feather weight too!
The lighter weight fighters have an advantage in the P4P rankings.
Last night Dana said he would still put Anderson Silva above GSP on the p4p list. Here's my argument for, um, not doing that.
Yeah yeah yeah. Silva hasn't lost in 5 years. GSP lost 3 years ago. But also remember GSP has never been caught in a flying scissor heel hook either. Silva has four losses and never avenged a damn one of them. St. Pierre avenged both his losses. Silva may have moved up in weight for a couple hand picked fights, but they made Thiago Alves cut down to welterweight to fight Georges. They brought someone to his weight class. I feel like the only thing stopping St. Pierre from getting the p4p unquestionably is the Serra loss. But he still only has 2 losses which had been avenged. On top of that, look at the records. St. Pierre has fought way better opponents than Silva and looked better beating them. I remember Silva getting beat up in the Henderson fight before pulling out the sub, also the Lutter fight and the Sonnen fight. I'm pretty sure if this fight ever happens. GSP will mop the floor with Anderson Silva. It's just too bad Vitor's gonna do it first.
un3rgr0und - I don't know about Edgar being above Aldo...Aldo is sick with it.
Jose Aldo is a beast, but beating BJ Penn is a more impressive win than any of Aldo's at this point. It can be argued that Frankie's opponents in general are better than Aldo's. They're certainly bigger.
un3rgr0und - I don't know about Edgar being above Aldo...Aldo is sick with it.
Jose Aldo is a beast, but beating BJ Penn is a more impressive win than any of Aldo's at this point. It can be argued that Frankie's opponents in general are better than Aldo's. They're certainly bigger.
+1. I'm not totally sold on Aldo yet either. He's too young, doesn't have the accomplishments, and I'm always skeptical of a fighter who's speed is his best asset. A la Roy Jones.
GageIsLegend - Dana white says the pound for pound thing on Anderson and Edgar because they aren't marketable. It's all about the Money. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Edgar really walks around at 155, while everyone else is walking near 180 or something insane. he could probably make close to 140-135 if he wanted to, but he's fighting all these guys who are way bigger than him every fight.
Point made. Mental note, research first. My point being, he could beat Hopkins earlier in his career, but not later, even though Hopkins is older, his technique has him being competetive much later in his career than a speed fighter. And looking back Hopkins will be considered a better fighter when no one would have said that ten years ago.
Last night Dana said he would still put Anderson Silva above GSP on the p4p list. Here's my argument for, um, not doing that.
Yeah yeah yeah. Silva hasn't lost in 5 years. GSP lost 3 years ago. But also remember GSP has never been caught in a flying scissor heel hook either. Silva has four losses and never avenged a damn one of them. St. Pierre avenged both his losses. Silva may have moved up in weight for a couple hand picked fights, but they made Thiago Alves cut down to welterweight to fight Georges. They brought someone to his weight class. I feel like the only thing stopping St. Pierre from getting the p4p unquestionably is the Serra loss. But he still only has 2 losses which had been avenged. On top of that, look at the records. St. Pierre has fought way better opponents than Silva and looked better beating them. I remember Silva getting beat up in the Henderson fight before pulling out the sub, also the Lutter fight and the Sonnen fight. I'm pretty sure if this fight ever happens. GSP will mop the floor with Anderson Silva. It's just too bad Vitor's gonna do it first.
Forget it man. Silva isn'y going to chase those guys down to avenge losses. Pacquio hasn't chased down the first guy who beat him. that has no standing. LOL @ St Pierre fighting better opponents. Maia is a Mundial champ, and Dan henderson was an Olympic level wrestler. What Olympians has GSP fought? That's right, none!
And you forget that Anderson won the Shooto belt at 170, then ate his way up to 185, and 205. Anderson is smooth at 185 with no abs. That means he still has fat on him. Anderson is a 170lb fighter schooling 185ers and 205'ers. GSP is absolutely shredded at 170, and admitted that he stepped in against Thiago Alves at over 190lbs that night.
He just doesn't ant to risk losing at 185. In fact GSP hasn't finished a single 170lber as champ. He finished 2 blown up 155'ers. meanwhile Silva is crushing 205lb champs in Forrest Griffin.
A guy who can beat top 3 ranked oppoents in 3 diferent weight classes is obviously the definition of p4p. His skills allow him to beat guys 2 weight classes up, and FINISH them. GSP can't even finish the guys in his own weight class, and wants nothing to do with 205.
Maia is a champ in BJJ, not MMA, and he didn't even earn that title shot. Henderson is inconsistent and everyone knows he sucks at 185. Anderson is in a shittier weight class that's why he moved up. If he's a "natural" 170 then why doesn't he cut and Fight GSP? It's not like he fought killers at 205. He refused to fight Machida.
Love it when Dana chimes in. He's a fan just like us and stuff! I really feel a connection with the guy and sometimes wake up believing I'm a Boston gangster. It's amazing how blunt Dana is, and you just KNOW he's got the kind of awesome relationship with the truth that we all wish we had.
Can't WAIT for Dana's next list---doesn't even matter what it's about. Hair dye, steering wheels, kites, doesn't matter---his lists are straight up LISTS and motherfucking Schindler never rocked a list like this badass Bostonian does on the daily.
I wish he would talk more about Boston and the sort of crime that goes on there. I mean there are lists in the back of that man's mind that would make Socrates weep, not to mention meat and potatoes thick fingered gangsters. If anything those guys love the flattery, and Dana rewrites the motherfucking book of cheap gold hairy-wristed pawn shop ethics every fucking MONTH.
I don't know about you guys but when Dana says things it's not so much a reformed pasty gangster struggling with the street side of himself as it is a case of objectivity. There's no salesmanship or brand pushing here at all---it's just the straight up truth delivered in the upward direction and in a manner unquestionably straight.
Just to be clear on this, I hope Dana twitters all his lists from now on; if I didn't know better I'd think this blunt talking hunch-necked alpha was the real Jesus as predicted on the streets of Nostradamus back when days were really days.
