Diaz fanboys need to think about this....

Nick Diaz DID not win the fight because he failed to adapt his game plan to the game plan that Carlos executed in the fight! Bottom line is it is Diaz's fault that he let the fight go to decision by keeping the fight standing for the entire (almost) fight. If your opponent is using the "stick and move", as Carlos was, then it is Diaz's responsibility to take Carlos out of that game plan by clinching/taking the fight to the ground which he didn't do until the end.

Carlos won the fight 3-2 and deserved the win. People need to quit crying because the fight was close enough that it could have gone either way with no complaint.

And for those saying Carlos ran the whole fight, well he executed a perfect game plan of "stick and move" that frustrated his opponent who didn't adapt. Stupid of people to be mad that he didn't stand in front of Diaz and bang. Why would Carlos fight the fight that Diaz wants him to. That would be retarded. Wake up people!

You are right. The problem no one wanted to see that "fight" and a lot of people feel let down because of it. For the first time since I can rememeber Carlos did not fight to finish, and this let a lot of people down. Grats on getting the win though. 

Also, Diaz needs to realize that opponents aren't always going to "stand and bang". If the "stick and move" made him frustrated enough to quit at MMA imagine what he'll experience in the sport of boxing.

teamquestfan - Also, Diaz needs to realize that opponents aren't always going to "stand and bang". If the "stick and move" made him frustrated enough to quit at MMA imagine what he'll experience in the sport of boxing.

This is a good point. Diaz has good hands for mma and might have formidable hands for mid level boxing. But, if that's the extent of his footwork....he will retire from boxing pissed off too. Phone Post

Great post, that's what's so entertaining about reading all of these threads bashing Condit. It was Nicks responsibility to change his game and force the brawl. But instead he chose to trash talk.

People are hating on Carlos because he had a solid gameplan. He had the same spin out escape EVERYTIME they went to the fence yet Diaz did not adapt to it.

Condit made Nick look very one dimensional. His fans should be placing the blame on him, and not Carlos Phone Post

 Carlos implemented his gameplan whereas Nick Diaz couldnt impliment his...  simple as that.



people are thinking with their emotions instead of their reason.  I wanted Diaz to win... but he didnt - get over it.

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 Somebody needs to explain to me why an opponent should fight to your strengths.



Condit did what he needed to do to win, and did it expertly all the while beating Diaz to the strike nearly every time. Why is it that, because Carlos didn't just stand in front of Nick like BJ Penn did and lost, this is considered some sort of fault on Carlos' part?



So tell me: Why should Carlos have stood there in the pocket with an opponent who would have gotten the better of him there? Explain logically why that would have EVER happened. And while you're at it, let me know why Diaz gets a pass for having a shitty gameplan that assumed his opponent would fight the way he wanted to fight?

I don't agree that Condit won.

I do agree though that Condit implemeneted his gameplan really well, and Diaz failed to adjust. Diaz had a very predictable strategy, Condit had an unexpected strategy that Diaz did not likely prepare for. The element of surprise is a big reason Condit did so well. I don't think a rematch would be anywhere near as close as this fight was.

Carlos Condit moved in and out, notably with leg kicks, and outstruck Diaz by a wide margin.

FightMetric credits Condit with an overall striking advantage 151-105, including 68-4 in kicks. With near unanimity, MMA news sites called it for Condit, including MMA Fighting (48-47 Condit), MMAWeekly.com (50-45 Condit), MMAjunkie.com (49-46 Condit), MMAmania.com (49-46 Condit).

"Carlos Condit won," UFC President Dana White said definitively. "He went in there, and he fought a great fight. He stuck to his gameplan and didn't fall in Nick Diaz's game."

The Nick Diaz that left the UFC in 2006 is the same Nick Diaz in 2012. Condit exposed that with a great game plan.

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teamquestfan - Also, Diaz needs to realize that opponents aren't always going to "stand and bang". If the "stick and move" made him frustrated enough to quit at MMA imagine what he'll experience in the sport of boxing.

This is a good point. Diaz has good hands for mma and might have formidable hands for mid level boxing. But, if that's the extent of his footwork....he will retire from boxing pissed off too. Phone Post

Yep Phone Post

bytagro - every real fight fan knows diaz won that fight

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Condit implemented a game plan that didn't take effect until the 3rd and 4th rounds. Therein lies the controversy surrounding the decision. Phone Post

Drewout - Carlos Condit moved in and out, notably with leg kicks, and outstruck Diaz by a wide margin.

FightMetric credits Condit with an overall striking advantage 151-105, including 68-4 in kicks. With near unanimity, MMA news sites called it for Condit, including MMA Fighting (48-47 Condit), MMAWeekly.com (50-45 Condit), MMAjunkie.com (49-46 Condit), MMAmania.com (49-46 Condit).

"Carlos Condit won," UFC President Dana White said definitively. "He went in there, and he fought a great fight. He stuck to his gameplan and didn't fall in Nick Diaz's game."


Exactly!

Thanks for posting and thank you to the OP as well.

Carlos landed more punches, did more damage and did not get frustrated. How is walking forward and running your trash mouth entitle you to a win? A lot of fans of this sport are terrible. All they want is for people to stand in the pocket and punch each other until someone falls down and bleeds. These are pros people not barroom brawlers. Carlos won and would win in a rematch so get over it. He also exposed Nick Diaz.

well using stats and logic is a sure fail around here.
i say let the vagina sanding, nut huggery, and general douchebaggery continue.

   I also was cheering for Diaz but felt that Condit won that fight. It was very close.  I too would have liked to have seen a finish, and truthfully there were a number of shots that could have done the trick but they didn't.



  I still enjoyed the fight. Like others have said Diaz could have made the required adjustments to mess up Carlos's escapes but he didn't untill it was too late. Condit executed his gameplan diligently.  He knew it wasn't in his favor to stand in the pocket with Nick or get trapped against the fence. He picked his shots and reset his position to control distance when needed.



Would you expect him to also jump into Nick's guard if he started butt scooting?


Nick Diaz's only answer to someone not fighting his type of fight is to taunt and unfortunately for Diaz, Condit is way to smart to fall for that stupid street shit.

teamquestfan - Also, Diaz needs to realize that opponents aren't always going to "stand and bang". If the "stick and move" made him frustrated enough to quit at MMA imagine what he'll experience in the sport of boxing.


MMA is a weird bubble world that pretends to keep it real but is actually pretty dam unrealistic.

Its so street but its also supposed to be like the movies - no decisions, no strategies, no footwork, ONLY FUCKING BANGIN BRO!!!!

Chris Power -  Somebody needs to explain to me why an opponent should fight to your strengths.

Condit did what he needed to do to win, and did it expertly all the while beating Diaz to the strike nearly every time. Why is it that, because Carlos didn't just stand in front of Nick like BJ Penn did and lost, this is considered some sort of fault on Carlos' part?

So tell me: Why should Carlos have stood there in the pocket with an opponent who would have gotten the better of him there? Explain logically why that would have EVER happened. And while you're at it, let me know why Diaz gets a pass for having a shitty gameplan that assumed his opponent would fight the way he wanted to fight?

This. You and the op make good points. The combination of Diaz not getting the decision and the fight not being a dogfight has turned the ug upside down. Condit fought the only way he could to get a victory and he did it perfectly.

I guess Diaz thought he was winning the fight but I would of liked to see him pull guard after a couple of his take downs were stuffed and he was having trouble landing multiple shots on carlos Phone Post