DEAN LISTER'S fight was great , he showed the awesome ground skills everyone knew provided his best chance of victory in his UFC debut.
HIs post fight speech included thanks to everyone who was instrumental in his win, but despite the buzz on here that Eddie was intrumental in refining Listers technique I cant recall him mentioning Bravo and using his Rubber Guard. Anyone else hear him mention it.? How did I miss that?
lol@ how bravos is getting any credit for lister's win. he doesnt train with bravo and he is the absolute ADCC champion. Bravo didnt even place.
Royler placed higher than bravo that year.
people have been using high gaurd techniques way before bravo renamed it "Rubber Guard."
ttt for Lister
But EDDIE created the rubber guard and LISTER utilzed it in finishing his opponent, surely he would have mentioned that this victory was owed to BRAVO, I listened to LISTER'S post -fight speech and still didnt catch the part where he gave BRAVO the appreciation for teaching him that. He mentioned a lot of people and influences but not the source of the critical knowledge that won him the fight....supposedly
Dean did use the rubber guard. Facts are facts.
that move has been around here in socal for a minute..
"that move has been around here in socal for a minute.."
So has Eddie.
I love it when people think that Rubber Guard is "grabbing the leg". I
think 90% of the people who say that Eddie didn't invent Rubber Guard
don't even know how to do it properly.
Some people say that position is been utilized by Shawn Williams a lot and is not an Eddie thing...
Shawn has been doing it a long time, true....Giving Eddie credit is fine if Lister directly learned it from him, but since Lister has been doing it for years I don't know if you can do that.
Basically, this wouldn't be different than asking Matt Hughes to thank Royce Gracie for teaching him the moves that he used to kick his ass.
One thing that Eddie does deserve credit for is exposing a lot of us to this position. Now a lot of us play with the position and try to come up with our own set ups from the rubber guard. Kinda like how the Gracies exposed us to how effective ground fighting is. Now we all roll and do our own thing with it too. I still remember when Eddie first talked about the position here and showed pics of him doing it on a grappling dummy...there were a ton of doubters...
actually i was doing it myself 5 years ago. I was not good at it but I was doing it alone, grabing my leg and trying to catch triangle and armbar with it.
I am sure a lot of people were doing it on their own.
Eddie has just masterised the position that has become his speciality...but I am sure Lister does not need the help of anyone to do it by himself
WTF guys Bravo didnt train Lister.
Can we just say Lister has an awesome guard that he developed on his own?
"Like him or not he accomplished an amazing feat by tapping Royler in MMA"
It was ADCC. Eddie doesnt fight MMA.
ttt
lol...bravo
did not create the rubber Guard...i been using it since the 90's didnt
call it rubber guard back then...my bjj coach said if you like you can
use your legs to control the person more...but i do say thanks to bravo
for bring it to the main front of guard control for it is the only way to
control in a vale-tudo fight...my coach said that in the guard " keep
him as close as you can or pass"!!!!!!= get top position do not fight out
of the guard for vale-tudo because you give him more of the
leverage"...looking back then he was right even as far as todays mma...
thnaks Roney Salles " Calson Gracie SR. Black Belt.... so Lister should
not thank anyone but him self because " the more weapons you have
the better chnace you have, when you go to war".
de la rose
yes
Carlos.