I agree.
Nope. But I do let them know pretty quick to slow down.
I think its a great part of training to train with these guys because you develop the physical and mental skills necessary to deal with it if you run in to them on the street. I train bjj, mma and thai boxing for self defense in addition to competition however.
If i was just a competitive grappler, I would avoid rolling with them because there is no benefit to rolling with them. Only potential injury.
I hurt my shoulder rolling around with one of these types before. I was being nice and letting him roll around a little bit and he yanked on one of my arms akwardly, pulling the humerus out of the socket. I was so pissed about it but it was partially my fault for not protecting myself as i rolled with him.
Now when i roll with those types, i always keep my arms tight to my body, defend well, then control and submit them.
Rolling with newbies is always fun. I actually like to let them get an upper hand, as it allows me to work my defense better.
When I roll with someone experienced, it usually ends up with me in a pretzel asking myself how the fuck did I end up here, all while he did his dry-cleaning?
disbeliever - I agree with the idea he has, and also agree training with someone who is unpredictable makes you that much more aware.
You also need to be super mindful of what they are doing. New guys like to try things they see in UFC or in the advanced division at NAGA, which can lead to injuries. They don't have any concept of the torque or leverage moves put on joints.
Agree. I think experienced grapplers get hurt by spazzes because they try to roll with them like they are rolling with another experienced grappler.
They should be approaching the spazz with initial caution at first so they can figure out their craziness first. Spazzes should not be approached the same way as going it would be going with an experienced grappler
I tell my students the exact same thing. If you're in a fight, the guy won't know what he's doing but he'll be spazzing out and using all of his strength. It's good to know you can handle that scenario.
100% pure basics against spazzes. No inverted or sport stuff.
Agreed
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I found myself lowering to their level. It was a great learning experience. It wasn't until I realize I had to trust on the basics and not try any new stuff.
I'd love to hear Rickson or Helio's thoughts on avoiding newbies because they might injure you. Obviously training is training and it's fine to work specifics, but if you really consider un-traned grapplers a threat then how effective is your BJJ?
I don't. At my age and the number of injuries I've had, I can't risk it.
I love them, they scream!
Brian Rule - I'd love to hear Rickson or Helio's thoughts on avoiding newbies because they might injure you. Obviously training is training and it's fine to work specifics, but if you really consider un-traned grapplers a threat then how effective is your BJJ?
Are you saying you don't find untrained grapplers a threat or that they can't do anything effectively to you?