of course they do.
YAaaaaaaaaas
Do the guys that lathered GSP up with vaseline between rounds vs BJ have the ethical leeway to have their fighters knowingly juice?
Hmmmm....
Anyone consider the possibility he gets it from his brother and the football crowd without anyone he trains with knowing?
Who knows if he even juiced? Innocent until proven guilty gents.
Let us withhold judgement until due process has taken its course.
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You tend not to boot out your cash cow even if he is a crack/juice/dick head.
Honest question. Would it help his coaches to know what he’s taking so they can tailor his training accordingly or does the training remain the same regardless of cycle?
DevilsAdvocate - Honest question. Would it help his coaches to know what he's taking so they can tailor his training accordingly or does the training remain the same regardless of cycle?
I’d think that would fall with whatever doctor he’s working with.
BTR - Anyone consider the possibility he gets it from his brother and the football crowd without anyone he trains with knowing?
That was my original thought. He never really would have "needed" anyone else other than Arthur. Maybe some wrestling guys when he was just starting out MMA. But who better to trust than your own big brother who you're close close family with and who probably gets better shit than he could at Jackson's.
Theres absolutely no way to know if anyone else know who's using. You might get suspicious when a guy starts looking like the world's strongest man after a few months or suddenly they are cardio freaks but you're not going to ask your cash cow, "Hey bro, you on gear?" outright. They will deny either way at best and quit your gym at worst.
MMA Promoter1 -BTR - Anyone consider the possibility he gets it from his brother and the football crowd without anyone he trains with knowing?That was my original thought. He never really would have "needed" anyone else other than Arthur. Maybe some wrestling guys when he was just starting out MMA. But who better to trust than your own big brother who you're close close family with and who probably gets better shit than he could at Jackson's.
I would think both of them use a middleman [maybe the same one] to get their gear. Gets you one level away but adds a possible snitch into the mix.
Judge Mental -Years ago I would have defended Mr sportkiller , now I agree with you .The whole JAckson Wink gym is likely using. They are def aware.
Technical Primates -They must know.
He hid under the cage for 8 hours ffs.
Surprising though seeing as Greg and Mike seem like very honorable guys, obviously not when it comes to roids
They put on a good act
I definitely think they know, but they don't coach the athlete in that(imo), that way they at least have plausible deniability. I doubt there's a team/ coach out there that doesn't know any top ranked guy they have is supplementing.
I shared a taxi with two guys from Jackson's / Wink, one an instructor and another a big name old schooler and they were discussing past and present guys and who they suspected might have been using and they couldn't even agree amoungst themselves so near as I can figure if guys are using they keep that quiet.
RockTheVote -could you not tell by changes is their physical appearance or overall mentality or performance?i run a gym. i have no idea what my fighters and other students are putting into their bodies. we talk about team expectations, but i know some are smoking weed when they arent supposed to be (during camp). if one or more was juicing i doubt i would know about it. itd be assumptions until they told me or failed a test.
I remember hearing that greg asks you if you’re on anything when you start training with them, and I don’t think they kick you out the door if you say yes.
Pretty sure it was Shaub who said that. I’m not sure tho tbh
AlexinTO -RockTheVote -could you not tell by changes is their physical appearance or overall mentality or performance?i run a gym. i have no idea what my fighters and other students are putting into their bodies. we talk about team expectations, but i know some are smoking weed when they arent supposed to be (during camp). if one or more was juicing i doubt i would know about it. itd be assumptions until they told me or failed a test.
If guys are on bodybuilder doses you can tell. They would fail every test though. Low doses of test that would sneak past the tests wouldn't stand out so much, but they'd do a lot to maintain muscle mass through hard training and aid recovery.
They would surely know as the training is really scientific etc. Unless they assume he’s not human of course…