I love his game, I know he sticks with what many people call an "old school" style, with some butterfly mixed in. But does he actually teach and train the modern stuff in class? Or is everything just based off of that collar and sleeve?
What he is doing IS modern. It works in the modern game so it’s modern. I don’t think you’ll see in-depth berimbolo workouts at his school, if that is what you mean.
HotSteppa - What he is doing IS modern. It works in the modern game so it's modern. I don't think you'll see in-depth berimbolo workouts at his school, if that is what you mean.
Cross Collar and Sleeve is modern because it works in the modern game? I disagree, Cross Collar is what was considered open guard in the 90s. It just stands the test of time.
The Closed Guard -HotSteppa - What he is doing IS modern. It works in the modern game so it's modern. I don't think you'll see in-depth berimbolo workouts at his school, if that is what you mean.Cross Collar and Sleeve is modern because it works in the modern game? I disagree, Cross Collar is what was considered open guard in the 90s. It just stands the test of time.
its debatable as when Marcelo was using X guard most considered it more modern and revolutionary, while you had guys like JJ Machado saying wtf they were doing that back in the 80s. Whats old is new and vice versa all the time, people need to stop obsessing over labeling of what is modern vs new.
Hunter V -The Closed Guard -HotSteppa - What he is doing IS modern. It works in the modern game so it's modern. I don't think you'll see in-depth berimbolo workouts at his school, if that is what you mean.Cross Collar and Sleeve is modern because it works in the modern game? I disagree, Cross Collar is what was considered open guard in the 90s. It just stands the test of time.
its debatable as when Marcelo was using X guard most considered it more modern and revolutionary, while you had guys like JJ Machado saying wtf they were doing that back in the 80s. Whats old is new and vice versa all the time, people need to stop obsessing over labeling of what is modern vs new.
Right, but if you're stepping on the mat for the first time the first open guard you'll likely learn is collar and sleeve. The way the Gracie's taught open guard jiujitsu in the 90s was collar and sleeve. They weren't using 50/50, lapels, inverting. Etc. All that stuff came after. If Rickson, Rolls etc played open guard it was that style. I wouldn't consider it todays modern guard. Modern "relating to the present or recent times as opposed to the remote past." The game is a style of the past, not modern.
My question is, does Kron actually teach the new, fancy stuff. Or does he want his students to use the traditional stuff?
one of the instructors at his school is on the forum so hopefully he will chime in
Thanks! Im not saying he doesn't "play" certain guards. Clearly if its available he's going to use them to not get passed, but it seems like he always ends up back in collar and sleeve, butterfly or closed
He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Hunter V -The Closed Guard -HotSteppa - What he is doing IS modern. It works in the modern game so it's modern. I don't think you'll see in-depth berimbolo workouts at his school, if that is what you mean.Cross Collar and Sleeve is modern because it works in the modern game? I disagree, Cross Collar is what was considered open guard in the 90s. It just stands the test of time.
its debatable as when Marcelo was using X guard most considered it more modern and revolutionary, while you had guys like JJ Machado saying wtf they were doing that back in the 80s. Whats old is new and vice versa all the time, people need to stop obsessing over labeling of what is modern vs new.
I don’t think JJ would say he was doing X guard in the 80’s. at least not a system.
remember, Renzo had a hell of a time trying to figure out what marcelo was doing.
it was simply a game he had never seen.
there is of course going to be more “modern” or simply new ways to play the game because by the 2000’s people were doing sport only.
Rickson and Rolls were still doing challenge matches.
when there are no punches it really changes the game and the growth
digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Do you train under him? I have noticed he will get into those positions for guard retention. But normally funnels himself back to collar and sleeve or closed
digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Can you elaborate on what he teaches from a guard playing perspective? Thanks!
HotSteppa -digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Can you elaborate on what he teaches from a guard playing perspective? Thanks!
If I had to assune id say lots of closed guard and cross collar, feet on hips in the Gi and same for no gi but butterfly.
From watching him compete, ive notice he'll use new positions as almost a "transition" to stop the guard pass. But will return to cross collar or closed guard soon there after.
The Closed Guard -digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Do you train under him? I have noticed he will get into those positions for guard retention. But normally funnels himself back to collar and sleeve or closed
Yea, I've been training with Kron for 12 years. He might find himself in half guard (or any other position) from time to time but he never looks to be in that position.
HotSteppa -digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Can you elaborate on what he teaches from a guard playing perspective? Thanks!
He teaches open guard as being defensive and closed guard as offensive. Legs are everything in guard, breaking posture, etc. Hands / grips are secondary.
digitaltoddy -The Closed Guard -digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Do you train under him? I have noticed he will get into those positions for guard retention. But normally funnels himself back to collar and sleeve or closed
Yea, I've been training with Kron for 12 years. He might find himself in half guard (or any other position) from time to time but he never looks to be in that position.
Yeah, I saw that he has used rdlr/dlr and one side spider it seemed to retain guard. But I think his guard is my favorite part of his gi game. Does he have certain attacks and sweeps he likes to use ?
digitaltoddy -HotSteppa -digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Can you elaborate on what he teaches from a guard playing perspective? Thanks!
He teaches open guard as being defensive and closed guard as offensive. Legs are everything in guard, breaking posture, etc. Hands / grips are secondary.
I think Im confused by the term defensive. Doesn’t he attack tons from open guard?
So what about the guys in Krons academy who want to do DLR and all other “modern” stuff etc. Is it discouraged?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGtAMguSum4&t=47s
If you watch here, you see he will go into some "modern" positions. But just to prevent the pass.
mkou - So what about the guys in Krons academy who want to do DLR and all other "modern" stuff etc. Is it discouraged?
I wouldn't say it's discouraged, he just doesn't teach it. Some guys will play it.
The Closed Guard -digitaltoddy -HotSteppa -digitaltoddy -He doesn't teach x-guard, berimbolo, deep-half, spider guard, de la riva. At most he'll show with how he deals with those situations, but that's it. He does teach a basic but specific approach to jiu-jitsu that anyone can do.
Can you elaborate on what he teaches from a guard playing perspective? Thanks!
He teaches open guard as being defensive and closed guard as offensive. Legs are everything in guard, breaking posture, etc. Hands / grips are secondary.
I think Im confused by the term defensive. Doesn’t he attack tons from open guard?
He does, if there are openings. The first order of business is to not let them pass your open guard and catch them when their base is compromised. Look at the video of Kron vs. Lo at the 2011 worlds. Kron is defending an open guard pass when Lo overcommits, Kron goes for an omoplata, not expecting to finish but to setup sweep to take his back and ends up in mount.