I know I will take shit for this, but bjj looks a bit absurd right now. Watching a lot of matches I see guys rushing to pull guard against guys pulling guard on them. Wtf is that? Are these guys now so afraid of top game that they would rather get in a guard pulling game. If I had any say, and i know I don't, I would make it a rule to dq both guard pullers
I also would give negative points for pulling guard in general. Bjj is about learning to fight. In a real altercation? Pulling guard is not a good option. Yes, I know people who have done it and been successful, but overall it's a shit idea to limit your mobility by going to your back in a street fight. 
yeah i also like the idea of point deduction or advantage point deduction for pulling guard
Or just give an advantage to the guy on top from a guard pull
Advantage doesnt mean much. Why should takedowns be scored the same as moving from guard to half guard. Most fights would be decided by who's on top
Tournament jiu jitsu is a sport, not a fight. Its a game. Of course that's been said a million times. I just don't understand why people are so irritated by a tactic used to win a game.
checkuroil - Advantage doesnt mean much. Why should takedowns be scored the same as moving from guard to half guard. Most fights would be decided by who's on top <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
takedowns arent scored like that but since a guard pull isnt a take down it shouldnt be score the same way.. if you force your opponent to pull guard or he chooses to in order to avoid a takedown situation you get an advantage, just like if your opponent rolls to his knees to avoid a guard pass.
i will give 10th planet some credit,they did go for the td in the matches i seen.
While I do think double guard pull is lame and I hate to see the rule-specific battles that ensue when it occurs, I don't think you can penalize it with a DQ. I like the ADCC rules where the bottom man can accept a -1 point guard pull penalty while going for a 2 sweep score.
If you pull
Guard then you are accepting that the other guy is a better wrestler and taking away his ability to score those two points. I'm just giving them back
checkuroil - If you pull
Guard then you are accepting that the other guy is a better wrestler and taking away his ability to score those two points. I'm just giving them back
Meh, that's like forcing Sugar Ray to stand toe to toe with Hagler every round. Entertaining in a sense, but not accepting the beauty of each fighter's game and gifts.
It's emphasizing an important part of combat that is fading in bjj: the takedown.
-2 imo
checkuroil - If you pull<br>Guard then you are accepting that the other guy is a better wrestler and taking away his ability to score those two points. I'm just giving them back <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
If you submit your opponent, you are taking away your opponent's ability to submit you, so, I propose that submitting your opponent be an auto loss.
-2 for guard pulling.
Double guard pulling doesn't bother me nearly as much as the situation that arises when one player attempts a takedown as the other pulls guard. The ref is left guessing who did what first.
Its ridiculous, BOTH players are trying to have one of them play guard, but they have to race their takedown vs. guard pull to see if points are scored or not. IT MAKES NO SENSE.
Fighting for bottom is an unfortunate thing to have to see in grappling. I've accepted it as being part of the art now, but kind of embarrassing. Another example of sport jiu jitsu/sub grappling taking another step in the opposite direction of being a combat art.
Preach on checkuroil, preach on...
support the fila grappling rules
checkuroil - It's emphasizing an important part of combat that is fading in bjj: the takedown. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
It's mostly fading in the lighter weight classes, though. Below a certain weight, using four limbs against the opponent seems to be a greater advantage than having gravity on one's side. (In pure grappling, obviously.)
Leg locks tend to change this up a bit, though. Although some of the elite light weight guys seem immune to them.
Less rules the better imo. If it is not a safety issue then let it happen. Guard pull has been shown to work in some instances in mma fights, even Eddie Bravo thinks they are good in some cases. I haven't seen guard pull in any other martial art, so I think penalizing GP would seriously hurt something so uniquely BJJ.
Double guard pulling is a result of smaller players never being able to develop a strong top game because they are naturally forced to play the bottom in training. So it isn't a surprise smaller guys go for guard pulls and it is important for the guy to start bottom because they are better there, so double guard pulling shouldn't be a surprise either. It is pretty insane to think that some of these guys have better bottom games than top. It is the same feeling I had when I found out that the smaller guy can actually beat a much bigger opponent. Now seeing guys fight for bottom because they know they have the advantage on bottom is really awesome and so uniquely bjj.
Don't let rules get in the way of the evolution of bjj.
In concept, I like the -2 for a guard pull. My only problem is I could see jiu-jitsu going the way of collegiate wrestling, where 90% of the fight is the takedown. BJJ is primarily (REALLY primarily) about the ground game, and it should remain that way.
That said, the buttflopping is beyond ridiculous now. I like Mat Santos' idea (which is also the idea used by the AAU grappling rules) that pulling to an immediate sweep or submission does not get penalized, but just pulling to guard with no immediate attack is conceding a takedown and gives the opponent 2 pts. This way, the attacking guard (which is what should be encouraged) gets pushed.