Here's Eddie's speech at his school after metamoris.
FRAT Eddie Bravo rant coming:
What irritates me the most is not that Eddie is so incredibly wrong about about his no gi style moving BJJ forward and traditionalists are holding BJJ back by training in the gi, but the influence he exerts on these impressionable young grapplers. If Eddie wants to have his own beliefs that's his thing, but when it starts affecting other people it becomes a problem. These guys just want to learn to grapple, yet it's going to take them so much longer to get better doing only no gi training, especially if they are enamored with learning the butter sandwich and London bridge massacre, instead of drilling side control escapes from someone pinning them down over and over. They may never reach their full potential. They don't really know enough about BJJ to know what is going to benefit them the most, yet they listen to Eddie and think it's gospel (this gi trained guy who is now very good at no gi grappling). They ignore the fact that Eddie in 10 years hasn't produced one grappler that can compete on a world stage in no gi even though he claims his style is revolutionary and everyone else is being held back. They just nod their heads and go back to trying to pull off moves that are 90% attribute based and can't be done by someone who isn't flexible (what kind of jiu jitsu is that??). What makes BJJ amazing is that it is supposed to be an art anybody can do, not just the guys with certain levels of speed, strength or flexibility. THAT is what holds BJJ back. The way Eddie is stagnating their progress frustrates me, as someone who also claims to love BJJ, to no end. His speech reminds me of a YouTube video several years back where Joe Rogan is on a webcam and a 20 year old Denny comes into the room showing off his newly attained medical marijuana card. I was sitting there thinking, "is this a fucking joke?" This naive kid looks up to these guys so much that he goes out and fraudulently gets a card so that he can legally use the drug (as a medication) that his instructor advocates for nonstop. Way to go Eddie, you really did something positive for this young man's life. So, when people say things like 10th planet/Eddie Bravo is bad for BJJ, I think it's giving him too much credit. Few really good no gi grapplers give his style much consideration and it will always be irrelevant until his guys start actually winning stuff. However, is he bad for his students who want to learn JJ? I think he is certainly holding them back.
I actually couldn't listen to more than a couple minutes of the video... But I figured some people would want to watch it.
JoejitsuMD-
Unclear how Eddie is holding his students back by teaching them his game. It looked pretty effective the way he was utilized it against Royler.
Shinya Aoki has used some of his techniques to great success in MMA. Vinny Magaheles (sp?) has given him props as have many others. You're basically just repeating some tired old shit of "who has he produced?" which is made even more asinine by the fact that we just saw his techniques in action.
Further, you're creating a straw man by suggesting that Eddie's guys don't drill basic positions before learning the more advanced stuff. I'm guessing you've never trained at his gym and can only speculate as to what goes on there.
"closed minded"......hmmmmmmmm.
I see many people on this forum talking about being open/open minded/inclusive/etc.
yet when I and others advocate for exploration and evolution of Jiujitsu in all aspects of its curriculum and skillsets we get attacked with ............Jiujitsu is just a sport or ground grappling, no-gi only IS JIUJITSU, etc.
LOL?
falsecrack - JoejitsuMD-
Unclear how Eddie is holding his students back by teaching them his game. It looked pretty effective the way he was utilized it against Royler.
Shinya Aoki has used some of his techniques to great success in MMA. Vinny Magaheles (sp?) has given him props as have many others. You're basically just repeating some tired old shit of "who has he produced?" which is made even more asinine by the fact that we just saw his techniques in action.
Further, you're creating a straw man by suggesting that Eddie's guys don't drill basic positions before learning the more advanced stuff. I'm guessing you've never trained at his gym and can only speculate as to what goes on there.
Eddie is very good at his style. This gi trained machado black belt who was wrecking shop in gi competitions before 10th planet is very good at his style when he competes no gi. World champion in the gi Vinny is very good at adding 10th planet techniques when he crushes people in competition. Shinya Aoki a high level gi black belt is very good at adding 10th planet techniques to his arsenal.
Eddie bravo has never produced a high level no gi grappler that wasn't trained elsewhere.
The argument isn't asinine, it's clear as day. If you are a damn good grappler that has been trained to a very high level elsewhere and trained in the gi your whole life, you will be able to incorporate almost any new techniques into your arsenal and make them successful.
Just read this post and think about it. Take a bath, light some candles, and read the post. 
Oh and you are right, I have never trained at his gym. I'm just going off what I have seen from the people representing 10th planet in almost every no gi competion I have been too. After 10 years you can only see so much sequences of mission control - posture up - pass guard - can't escape side control - submission. It starts to make a person cynical. Is it possible Eddie has some sleepers that are world class but have never competed? I guess.
I believe Eddie's newest black is 100% no gi, started with Eddie (affiliate and regularly trains with Eddie) and is very good.
That said, mat time is mat time. Training in gi or no gi will help your game with the exception of spider, color chokes that dont translate directly to no gi, but even there, the fact you're on the mat will help your game.
At the end of the day, all Metamoris showed is that Eddie's game is effective, the first result wasn't a matter of luck and that he belongs mentioned with lists of accomplished grappling competitors.
He doesn't force students to only learn his game. On the contrary he's very openminded, readily admits to "stealing" stuff from Marcello, Glover etc...as long as it works he's open to it and encourages his students to all develop their own game. What he does preach is repetition, getting in mat time and the fact that jiu jitsu isnt always easy... technique matters but being fast, strong, explosive all matter as well (so go get that cardio, weight training in because it helps). He's a really easying going dude who is welcoming to all visitors regardless of affiliation and consistently brings enthusiasm to teaching.
" What makes BJJ amazing is that it is supposed to be an art anybody can do, not just the guys with certain levels of speed, strength or flexibility"
I can't wait to hear your rant on inverted guard. I agree with you, but you don't hear the same rants against other guys. I've gone out and trained with Eddie before. We learned "normal" techniques, drilled and rolled. It wasn't must different than any other gym i have been to. Do you know how many blue belts try to berimbolo me? It's the same thing.
fact or fiction, the image/marketing that eddie uses is how different "his system" is. A great school makes you the best version of you, they don't want to change you into a clone of the owner.
JosephConnolly - " What makes BJJ amazing is that it is supposed to be an art anybody can do, not just the guys with certain levels of speed, strength or flexibility"
I can't wait to hear your rant on inverted guard. I agree with you, but you don't hear the same rants against other guys. I've gone out and trained with Eddie before. We learned "normal" techniques, drilled and rolled. It wasn't must different than any other gym i have been to. Do you know how many blue belts try to berimbolo me? It's the same thing.
I would say the same thing applies to guys who are teaching white belts how to do a berimbolo before they know how to do a back escape.
If training with Eddie or any 10th planet affiliate is basically the same than training at any other bjj academy then where's the revolution in that?
At some point you need to shut the hell up about how traditionalist are holding BJJ back and how your techniques are evolutionary.
Let's be real, BJJ gi practitioners rule ALL major grappling tournaments whether they are GI or NO-GI, they did so before 10th planet came on the scence and continue to do so 10 years after Eddie has been training people and graduating them to black shirt.
With that said Eddie is good at BJJ, his techniques are unorthodox and hard to defend against. Congrats to him.
JosephConnolly - " What makes BJJ amazing is that it is supposed to be an art anybody can do, not just the guys with certain levels of speed, strength or flexibility"
I can't wait to hear your rant on inverted guard. I agree with you, but you don't hear the same rants against other guys. I've gone out and trained with Eddie before. We learned "normal" techniques, drilled and rolled. It wasn't must different than any other gym i have been to. Do you know how many blue belts try to berimbolo me? It's the same thing.
I agree 100%. I don't really like that brand of BJJ and only train it as far as to feel comfortable defending it. I definitely think it's ridiculous. The difference though is that the inverted guard people don't really go around preaching about how this is the future of JJ and try to con people into thinking that even the inflexible overweight students can do it, and that's how you defend yourself on the street. It's the trying to convert people into a revolution mindset to make money that bothers me.
Let Eddie be Eddie. People care too much about this stuff.
It reminds me of how people said Bruce Lee was against forms, katas, tai chi, etc... And then one of his students saw him doing the wing chun sil lim tao(sp?) form and asked him what's up. He just shrugged.
joejitsu let me ask u this.
IN 30 years, how many World class guys has Gracie Torrance produced?
ZERO.
Even the sons (who are the only stars of the gym) are national level but have never won a world championship between the lot of them,
Don't get me started on their student base. They aren't even thought of in national or World competition.. Or MMA... Or anything where they have to display they ability against an equally skilled competition..
And how many guys could say they clowned Royler Gracie??
TWICE.
Travis, why compare 1oth planet to Torrance, why not the comparison to Gracie Humaita which is Royler's association?
Royler has produced numerous high caliber grapplers, world champions and ADCC winners.
Primarily because it seems to be an "Helio" side of things vs. Eddie's guys.
But I see what you're saying & it's a legit question. I just don't know if we could compare since Royler has only been in the states for what 2 years?
Has he produced a lot of American World champs?? I didn't think it was a fair comparison since, Royler hasn't had much time to do so.
The point is, that Eddie and his 10th PJJ guys ARE legit. There aren't many guys in that age bracket that could have done to Royler what he did. WE DO owe him respect. He's earned it.
UGCTT_Fillthy - Not as a disrespectful jibe, but has Eddie beaten any 'big name' grapplers besides Royler Gracie? I don't follow competitive BJJ that much, but I'm curious if this may be a situation where 'styles make fights'...anyone care to chime in?
FWIW- I'm a gi-trained GU/CTC student, and I really enjoy training at 10P affiliates when I can. My favorite privates are with an Eddie Bravo BB, Scott Epstein. 10P schools have the same 'mad scientist' vibe that our GU/CTC gym has...they don't just accept that you have to drill this sequence 100 times because the 15-time Mundial champion who's name is on the door says you have to in order to be good at it and win medals. They're constantly experimenting with positions, transitions, and submissions and evolving their individual games. I think a lot of people get too caught up in how long it's been without a 'world-beater' to come out of Eddie's gym instead of focusing on the fact that 10P is ONLY 10 years old.
The Gracies had 80 years to get their shit together, give 10P a break.
He choked out Gustavo Dantas (who is pretty high level) before he beat Royler. I believe he also had to win a regional ADCC tournament just to be able to compete in Brazil in 2003.
Travis - joejitsu let me ask u this.THIS
IN 30 years, how many World class guys has Gracie Torrance produced?
ZERO.
Even the sons (who are the only stars of the gym) are national level but have never won a world championship between the lot of them,
Don't get me started on their student base. They aren't even thought of in national or World competition.. Or MMA... Or anything where they have to display they ability against an equally skilled competition..
And how many guys could say they clowned Royler Gracie??
TWICE.
Let me be clear that my point is that Gracie Torrance is still considered a VERY VERY good school, despite having never produced a single soul out of there in their entire existence that anyone would think of as a World contender at black belt.
The big question is, HOW MUCH MORE DOES THIS AMERICAN GUY HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH TO GET PEOPLE'S RESPECT? Damn it's like he's the Rodney Dangerfield of grappling...
He's already done more than basically anyone else from here, on his own terms. That's pretty damn cool when you think about it.
This coming from someone that NEVER trains no gi!
JoejitsuMD - FRAT Eddie Bravo rant coming:
What irritates me the most is not that Eddie is so incredibly wrong about about his no gi style moving BJJ forward and traditionalists are holding BJJ back by training in the gi, but the influence he exerts on these impressionable young grapplers. If Eddie wants to have his own beliefs that's his thing, but when it starts affecting other people it becomes a problem. These guys just want to learn to grapple, yet it's going to take them so much longer to get better doing only no gi training, especially if they are enamored with learning the butter sandwich and London bridge massacre, instead of drilling side control escapes from someone pinning them down over and over. They may never reach their full potential. They don't really know enough about BJJ to know what is going to benefit them the most, yet they listen to Eddie and think it's gospel (this gi trained guy who is now very good at no gi grappling). They ignore the fact that Eddie in 10 years hasn't produced one grappler that can compete on a world stage in no gi even though he claims his style is revolutionary and everyone else is being held back. They just nod their heads and go back to trying to pull off moves that are 90% attribute based and can't be done by someone who isn't flexible (what kind of jiu jitsu is that??). What makes BJJ amazing is that it is supposed to be an art anybody can do, not just the guys with certain levels of speed, strength or flexibility. THAT is what holds BJJ back. The way Eddie is stagnating their progress frustrates me, as someone who also claims to love BJJ, to no end. His speech reminds me of a YouTube video several years back where Joe Rogan is on a webcam and a 20 year old Denny comes into the room showing off his newly attained medical marijuana card. I was sitting there thinking, "is this a fucking joke?" This naive kid looks up to these guys so much that he goes out and fraudulently gets a card so that he can legally use the drug (as a medication) that his instructor advocates for nonstop. Way to go Eddie, you really did something positive for this young man's life. So, when people say things like 10th planet/Eddie Bravo is bad for BJJ, I think it's giving him too much credit. Few really good no gi grapplers give his style much consideration and it will always be irrelevant until his guys start actually winning stuff. However, is he bad for his students who want to learn JJ? I think he is certainly holding them back.
Just being devils advocate here...
How many BB world champs has Marcelo pumped out yet?