Here's BB Tom Dinklage showing some effective escapes from two bad positions. It would be helpful if a blue-namer could embed these videos. Hope you find them useful!
The first is the technical mount. Other escapes I've seen and used require trying to establish hooks and so on, they can take a fair bit of effort and leave little margin for error. This "hip scoop" escape is relatively easy and doesn't take a lot of energy. The important part is to establish a strong frame on the hip and knee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezE6vd3jXo
The second bad position is the oma plata. Tom shows both an early and a late escape. The important thing to keep in mind with the early escape is that you want to roll with your feet far away from your partner's head (more in a line with his body), rather than the traditional roll where you start with your feet close to the partner's head (more side by side):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sAmph9SJiw
Nice!
That is some awesome stuff. I really liked the those two escapes to the omoplata.
These are two positions I find myself in a lot.
The mount escape is pretty cool because a lot of my training partners catch my arm from mount because of my trying to shrimp out or baiting me by posting a leg. I got caught in a tournament because of this. Good stuff.
Cool stuff!! Interesting mount escape, I will try this out this coming week!!! Thank you sir.
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Really like the omoplata escapes. I'm gonna try em out next class. Thanks for the vids!
traneufcisback - nice mount escape video. The only issue I have with it is that most people who go to S-mount (arlmock position) bring their knee right up to your head, and keeptheir weight fairly low on you, leaving little space. Nice, though.
The S-mount can be thwarted by not allowing the partner to slide up and get a high mount near the armpits.
If you have them in a low mount (near your hips) and frame on the partner's hips throughout the movement (both turning to your side as well as executing the move), it will be very difficult for them to slide high.
In Tom's video, an essential ingredient to note is that he is making "bone-to-bone" contact between his right elbow and the partner's left hip bone. This strong, framed contact keeps the partner's left knee from sliding up. In fact, combined with the belt grip, it more or less locks the opponent's hips in place.
If they have a high mount, I would advise wiggling/shoulder walking until they are lower (their but near your hips) before attempting any escape.
Anyone try out the escapes? Any sticking points or problems trying the moves?
Feedback or questions would be welcome and appreciated.
I couldn't remember all the details of the mount escape, but I was thinking of it while I was mounted. I didn't succeed.
Great Stuff!
The omoplata escape is my goto, but the detail with the feet is one that I've gotten lazy with, so thanks for the video to remind me.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Herbish1 - I couldn't remember all the details of the mount escape, but I was thinking of it while I was mounted. I didn't succeed.
Sorry it didn't work for you. Maybe a summary of the key details would be helpful:
1. begin your standard elbow escape by turning on your side (e.g., left side), keeping a strong frame on the partners hips
a. if the partner doesn't react, continue with the elbow escape
b. if the partner goes to "technical mount" proceed to step 2
2. continue framing on the hips with your right arm, and use a left straight arm to grip the knee
3. walk your feet in a circle (keeping the frame strong) scooping underneath the partners posted foot, he will fall in the hole
If you try those three steps and have a problem, make a mental note and please share where you are getting stuck.
These escapes techniques were excellent. Thanks for sharing them!!
traneufcisback - nice mount escape video. The only issue I have with it is that most people who go to S-mount (arlmock position) bring their knee right up to your head, and keeptheir weight fairly low on you, leaving little space. Nice, though.
This. only a whitebelt is going to s-mount at your hips allowing you to block their hips. Anyone with half a clue would have gotten high mount to isolate your arm before turning to s-mount.
Bull_in_chinashop -traneufcisback - nice mount escape video. The only issue I have with it is that most people who go to S-mount (arlmock position) bring their knee right up to your head, and keeptheir weight fairly low on you, leaving little space. Nice, though.
This. only a whitebelt is going to s-mount at your hips allowing you to block their hips. Anyone with half a clue would have gotten high mount to isolate your arm before turning to s-mount.
I would differentiate between an S-mount and the technical mount.
For me, the S-mount is a high mount with the one knee high behind the head, the other curled under the partner's farside arm. The escape in the video is not intended for the S-mount.
The technical mount is a standard way of avoiding the elbow escape, typically the top guy wants to slide the knee as far up as possible, but with a firm block on the hip, the best he can do is end up in the position in the video.
The key is that if you frame properly on their hips, they can't get the high mount.
They may employ a diversionary tactic to get the high mount, such as to attempt an Ezequiel choke and make the bottom guy defend (removing the frame), otherwise there's not much chance of the top guy getting a high mount that I'm aware of.
Personally, my experience is that the frame on the hip works great with most opponents, and even reasonably well on the blackbelts I've trained with.
To sum up, when you start your elbow escape with a proper frame, the top guy has only three choices (that I know of):
1. do nothing, the elbow escape will work
2. bail out to side control or knee on belly
3. technical mount
If they do 1. or 3., you can escape. If they do 2., it's a separate topic.
The mount escape is ok. I like the Omaplata stuff though. I think there are more effective Mount Escapes.
That Guy in the Back - The mount escape is ok. I like the Omaplata stuff though. I think there are more effective Mount Escapes.
It would be great if you could share the mount escapes you like. Are they from the standard mount or the technical mount?
Do you have video links?
I will they the mount escape in my next class. That type of response is what always occurs when I try the elbow escape and, I've been looking for way to counteract that.
Thanks.
When I find myself in that mount position with their leg bent in front of my I usually underhook to escape or lift the leg straight into the air to get on top. But I hit the escape from the first vid multiple times since I've watched it. I've seen this before but this was the first time I saw it taught.
I found myself there and immediately thought of the vid, and got it against a few blues and a purple. Part of it is immediately circling imo. Anyways, just wanted to thank you for the vid. I also liked Dinklage's armbar grip breaking vid.