F#@%ING STUPID DEALER!!!

Rough start - in for $400 and have about 275 infront of me. I call a $10 raise with K/9 spades. 4 in the pot. flop comes 2/3/6 with two spades. Original raiser (BB) goes all in for $58. i put him on a steal, had two overs and a flush draw so i call(maybe not the best call in the world but i was playing the payer),as does one other(which suprised me).The dealer flips the turn - 8 of clubs AND immediately flips the river, 8 of SPADES for my WINNING FLUSH without waiting for action on the turn. The dealer calls the floorman who says to put the 8 of spades BACK in the deck, shuffle, get action on the turn and then deal the river again. So we both check and the dealer deals a 3 of clubs for river. Original bettor had A6 for a pair of 6's and the other dude had a busted straight draw. So the DEALER cost me $250 bucks - fucking moron! I was the most pissed I’ve ever been playing poker and really had to concentrate on keeping my head straight. (NO TIPS FOR DEALERS UNTIL I WIN 250 HANDS.)

Anyway, I kept my head straight and hit some nice pots with QQ($200 plus pot), KK($300 plus pot), JJ($80 pot), and a flopped straight that “turned” into a STRAIGHT FLUSH(about $300 pot)against a king high flush - still i should have had another $250(STUPID DEALER!!).

lol, that sucks dude, but it looks like karma paid you back.

yeah the poker gods felt sorry for me and gave me some cards but i still feel like i got $250 stolen from me.

i'm seriously considering waiting until i win 250 more hands until i tip again.... i usually tip a buck when i win a pot as long as it isn't a real small one so i could theoretically make the dealers collectively "pay me back". what do you think?

Honestly headcheese, if the dealer fucked up, and you ending up making your flush, would you tip the dealer $250?

  Unfortunately, you will encounter some dealer mistakes once in a while especially since you play live often.  The dealers at Commerce(I'm assuming that's where you were playing)are usually pretty good, but I do notice that some of them especially the older ones look really weary the later the night goes.  

 By the way headcheese. The L.A Poker Classic is coming up.  Are you planning on entering any of the tourny's or the satellites?  If you are, you might see me at a table on there.

You got to look at the positive - at least you didn't go postal therefore showing poker professionalism.

If that was me the table would have been flipped and I would have been manhandled by security as they wipe the froth from my mouth as I curse his heathen children.

The fact that you remained calm and they went on to clean up is a lesson that many gambler, especially myself, need to learn.

"Honestly headcheese, if the dealer fucked up, and you ending up making your flush, would you tip the dealer $250? "

no, but i would have given him a buck. i want justice! if i don't tip the next 250 hands i win - there's my justice. the dealers will have paid me back for the pot that one of them stole from me with him stupid error one dollar at a time.

" By the way headcheese. The L.A Poker Classic is coming up. Are you planning on entering any of the tourny's or the satellites? If you are, you might see me at a table on there."

i'm not much a fan of tournements so i probably won't be entering, but the cash games are always good there when they have big tourneys going.

"If that was me the table would have been flipped and I would have been manhandled by security as they wipe the froth from my mouth as I curse his heathen children. "

lol. you have no idea how hard i fought the urge to grab the dealer and beat that 250 bucks out of him. i just kept picturing myself being wrestled to the ground by the casino's 700 lb. samoan security team and being banned for life - in which case i wouldn't be winning my money back. i did throw a "mini-fit", taking a short break, folding out of turn about 5 times in a row, and not so gently "tossing" my cards into the muck(at the dealer) a few times - but that was it.

Not tipping is a bad idea. You'll be forcing the rest of the dealers to pay for one guys mistake. Not only that, but they won't know what happened you'll get to be known as a tightass.

Besides, how many hands does a poker dealer go through in a night? Even the best dealer is bound to make mistake every now and again, it's absurd to expect perfection. You should just let it go, it sounds like you already had yourself a nice little mini-tantrum, which is about all you are entitled to.

One thing is sure, that totally sucks ass.

" it sounds like you already had yourself a nice little mini-tantrum, which is about all you are entitled to"

actually, i was "entitled" to that $250 pot also, but thanks for the opinion. and as far as dealer errors go, i pay a rake for the casino to host a fair game which includes PROFESSIONAL dealers. a tip is optional and dependent on performance. i won't hold out my tips(except for that dealer) - i'm over it - but i think it would be justice if i did take it out of the collective dealer piggy bank.

" Even the best dealer is bound to make mistake every now and again, it's absurd to expect perfection."

its "absurd" to expect that when i put my money on the line, i should expect the only obstacles to be the fall of the cards and the play of the players involved? the dealer isn't supposed to be a factor in the game. what if i was playing in the big game and i had a few thousand on the line instead of a few hundred? fuck that - i want "perfection". how hard is it to deal the fucking cards correctly anyway? the f'n moron should pay attention to what he's doing or get a new job.

additionally, i think my "mini-tantrum", was about the most civilized response i've EVER seen in simular circumstances - and i've seen a lot of them.

At least you kept your cool. I don't think I would have.

"You would have tipped $1 on a $250 pot?

Cheap."

listen dummy,

i pay 4 bucks out of every pot i win plus a buck tip, so i'm paying, on average, everytime i play, between 100 and 200 bucks just to play. my goal is to average about 250 per session, so i have to make AT LEAST 350 just to make my nut every day - try it sometime. you want to impress the dealers and other players by over tipping, be my guest - i'll stick to a buck as long as the dealer doesn't fuck up. if i win a huge pot, maybe 2 tops. i'm there to make money, not give it away.

if the dealer just deals the cards the way he should he gets a buck. if he does something great and out of charactor for most dealers, like enforce rules about showing cards, passing chips, taking chips off the table, or other simular infractions, he'll get a buck from me whether i'm in the hand or not. most dealers don't do shit and make their wage plus probably at least 20-25 bucks an hour in tips. they aren't starving, so, with all due respect, f-you....:)

why don't you take the dealer out for dinner show him a good time. I used to work in a casino and they laugh there ass of at gamblers. They are owed shit. They walk away with more money than talented poker players most nights. Why? Because they are so fucking retarded the only job they can get is flicking out playing cards - and they can barely do that half of the time properly.

What are the rules in the casino regarding calling for a misdeal?

In my world, the hand was misdealt... PERIOD. It should make the whole hand null.

"Dummy? You don't know what you are talking about. YOu should figure the rake into your profits goal."

if you read my last post, dummy, you'd have seen that i do just that, which is why i know better than to over tip

"The fact is this:
Tipping $1 on a $250 is being cheap. Period. If you think it isn't, you are clearly the fucking retard. Deal with it"

i guess i'm a fucking retard then dummy. the "fact" is this:

if you are paying 5 bucks out of every hand you win and a minimun of 5 bucks per round in blinds, you don't have a lot of room to be overtipping if you want to make money playing poker on a consistant basis.

how much would you tip on a 250 pot? 2 bucks? would that make you a "big spender". 5 bucks? that would just make you a fool. a buck is just fine dummy.

i've already said i pay between 100 and 200 on average when i play in rake and tips. i think that's enough as should and reasonable person. if you don't, you are the "fucking retard", not me.

Thems fighting words:

heads up heads up heads up

headcheese this is one time to play online and you can overtip the dealer with his money

so genius, explain the math on how you can beat a game paying the rake AND 5 bucks a pot in tips? you must be one of the greatest players in the world.

"actually, i was "entitled" to that $250 pot also, but thanks for the opinion. and as far as dealer errors go, i pay a rake for the casino to host a fair game which includes PROFESSIONAL dealers. a tip is optional and dependent on performance. i won't hold out my tips(except for that dealer) - i'm over it - but i think it would be justice if i did take it out of the collective dealer piggy bank."

No, you pay a rake because it is required. Otherwise you'd be talking to the floor manager about withholding your next $250 of rake money because they failed their obligation of providing you with a "professional" dealer.

"its "absurd" to expect that when i put my money on the line, i should expect the only obstacles to be the fall of the cards and the play of the players involved? the dealer isn't supposed to be a factor in the game."

The dealer wasn't a factor in the game. As long as he put the card back in the deck, you had the exact same odds to hit your flush as you did the first time he turned the river.

"what if i was playing in the big game and i had a few thousand on the line instead of a few hundred? fuck that - i want "perfection". how hard is it to deal the fucking cards correctly anyway? the f'n moron should pay attention to what he's doing or get a new job. "

Yes, of course, a dealer makes a mistake so he must be a "moron." Because obviously your $250 is the most important thing in his life, right? We obviously don't want to cut the guy some slack in case his mom just died or he just got evicted or just because we're decent human beings. In fact, I think your best move probably would have been to head out to the employee parking lot and key his car. After that, you could have TP'ed his house and left a flaming bag of dog shit on his porch. Then you guys would have been even.

"additionally, i think my "mini-tantrum", was about the most civilized response i've EVER seen in simular circumstances - and i've seen a lot of them. "

Yeah, I've seen quite a few of them too. And it's always hilarious seeing someone that throws a tantrum - huffing and snarling and trying to make the people around them uncomfortable. Like they think that making everyone around them pissed off and upset is going to accomplish anything but make them look like a juvenile jackass.

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"No, you pay a rake because it is required. Otherwise you'd be talking to the floor manager about withholding your next $250 of rake money because they failed their obligation of providing you with a "professional" dealer."

i pay a rake for services rendered. the serivces include a professional dealer.

"The dealer wasn't a factor in the game. As long as he put the card back in the deck, you had the exact same odds to hit your flush as you did the first time he turned the river. "

you misunderstand the game. i had already made my hand and the dealer, due to his error, fucked it up forcing me to have to make my draw again. he was a factor.

"Yes, of course, a dealer makes a mistake so he must be a "moron." Because obviously your $250 is the most important thing in his life, right? We obviously don't want to cut the guy some slack in case his mom just died or he just got evicted or just because we're decent human beings. In fact, I think your best move probably would have been to head out to the employee parking lot and key his car. After that, you could have TP'ed his house and left a flaming bag of dog shit on his porch. Then you guys would have been even."

what are you, 14 years old?