all that matters is wins losses and quality of competition.
not how long you went undefeated for. not how many title defenses you had.
wins losses level of compete. period
"all that matters is wins losses and quality of competition."
this is not all that matters. what this is is is your opinion, which you are entitled to...
just like how it is your opinion not to include fighters of the same size and weight when they fought fedor based soley on the fact that they also cut weigh to fight at light heavyweight most of their career. The same fighters that had not established themselves as career light heavies at the time they fought fedor.
the problem here is, even though you are entitled to your opinion, there are many of us that will put more credence in the opinions of the actual professional fighters during the time of fedors prime than we will in your opinion. and most of their opinions were that fedor was the greatest they had ever seen.
Where do these idiots come from, these faggots who continuously slander Fedor?
You're pissed because Fedor stands for something you didn't know existed. Fedor was dominating the most exciting era of mma when you were still just excited that your parents let you stay up late enough to watch TUF. These guys you mention in your post, you haven't even seen the majority of them fight. You only know of them from Sherdog fight records.
You weren't there. You didn't see it go down, so you aren't allowed to comment on it any further. VTFD
We see these threads all the damn time and I just don't understand the point in trying to tarnish the legacy of such a special fighter who is so well regarded and respected by his peers.
No other fighter has ever been so respected and ironically no other fighter has ever been called the greatest by so many other FIGHTERS. not promoters trying to belittle him because they couldn't get them in there organization, not internet posters, but his actual peers some of which might have very well surpassed Fedors accomplishments themselves.
The reigning HW champ himself on multiple occasions has said Fedor was the greatest
The first man to BEAT FEDOR saying he is the greatest
PFP contender Jose Aldo saying Fedor was the greatest
http://www.bjpenn.com/jose-aldo-calls-fedor-emelianenko-the-goat-places-himself-in-5th-ranking/
PFP contender and Welterweight great GSP saying Fedor was the greatest
http://www.mmafighting.com/2008/09/19/georges-st-pierre-fedor-emelianenko-is-mmas-best-pound-for-po
Anderson Silva has even said it
So multiple REIGNING champs and all time greats in their own right all think he was the best.
Those of us older guys who saw Fedor during his Pride Reign know what we were privileged to be watching. Something truly special and once in an era.
If Lebron James, Kobe etc all said MJ was the greatest we'd probably listen/agree right? Somehow when it comes to Fedor so many fans don't agree with the greats of our beloved sport and I always wonder why? Was Dana really that freaking convincing?
Also stop stalking me with PMs OP, we can discuss this in front of everyone. You weren't afraid to post your fucking retarded views here, don't turn into a little faggot bitch because you got slapped down. Step up or kick rocks
Caught_clean - lol OP is embarrassingYeah but have you heard his Drake and lil Wayne mixtapes?
Give me the "no padding" record of any current UFC HW
Including Cain
Unless you're an mma legend , you're a can lol
<blockquote>gilbret - <span id='userPost49424065' class='User-350185'>GSP:<br>Penn X2<br>Hughes X2<br>Koscheck X2<br>Sherk<br>Trigg<br>Mayhem<br>Hardy<br>Serra<br>Fitch<br>Alves<br>Condit<br>Shields<br>Diaz<br>Hendricks<br><br>2 losses to Serra and Hughes who he destroyed in a rematch. The only rounds he'a clearly ever lost was rd 1 in his first fight with Penn and 2,4 against Hendricks. Considering he's had more full rounds then probably any fighter in UFC history, thats dam impressive <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></span></blockquote><br /> Edit - oh nevermind.
Anyway, GSP is the greatest MMA fighter of all time.
Didn't Babalu weigh in heavier than Fedor?
Think the Hong man fight was tougher on him that the Tim Sylvia fight 
ThinkMMA - Didn't Babalu weigh in heavier than Fedor?Arona also
Whambo -fracnoc - Fedors record without padding. This list excludes cans, freak fights, fights vs fighters from lhw that he won. fights vs fighters over 40 when he was younger.
Pedro rizzo win
Jeff monson win
Dan Henderson loss
Antonio Silva loss
Fabricio werdum loss
Brett rogers win
Andrei arlovski win
Tim Sylvia win
Mark hunt win
Mirko cro cop win
Big nog win
Big nog nc
Kevin randleman win
Mark Coleman win
Gary goodridge win
Fujita win
Big nog win
Herring win
Semmy Schilt win
Record 15-3 vs decent competition.
Compare that to a gsp or Anderson now that the cans are cleared.
I think Fedor's legacy is always going to be tied to him beating Big Nog 3x and beating a prime Cro Cop. When you look at the rest of the record nothing really stands out. A lot of the guys were just considered good, but nothing great in MMA like Herring, Goodridge, Randleman, etc. Coleman was passed his prime. Some victories weren't exactly dominant and sorta took away from the mystique Fedor enjoyed with the AA and Hunt wins. Brett Rogers... yah.
The losses get dismissed because people treat an early 30's Fedor like he was an early 40's Fedor which i've always found amusing.
So where does Fedor rank amonst the great HW's? Pretty much right at the top behind Cain. HW titles tend to go back and forth quickly, so somebody to rack up a massive win streak like he did is impressive, even if it wasn't a "murderers row" like Jones and GSP faced. When people put him at the top of P4P GOATS that's when it gets a bit silly.
so, wait, is Fedor's legacy only tied to one or two wins? So why is he behind Cain, who has the same amount of wins over guys who are not nearly as impressive?
He's beaten Junior and Bigfoot (also lost to Junior). Nogueira was the best heavyweight in the world and was regarded as one of the best pound for pound period, and Cro Cop had been killing fools for a while, but Cain is above them because he beat Junior and Bigfoot?
People who try to bash Fedor's record use such tired cliche arguments that are so easily debunked by history and context, it's not even FUN to argue them anymore.
My GOAT is better than your GOAT! Wahhhhh!
UGCTT_CloudStrife -Absolutely nothing good can come from a thread like this. Your only purpose is to discredit one of the greatest fighters ever and to also get his fans to try to discredit Anderson and GSP wins as well. Either way you will probably be frozen from vote downs and a lot of name calling and arguing will ensue.
This!
i'm so glad we have OP to give us a DEFINITIVE LIST of who is padding on a record and who isn't. It's been 2 years since Fedor retired, yet we still have people making bait threads?
keyboard warrior analysis of Fedor years later > than majority of pro fighters from all eras and weight classes who always choose Fedor as a GOAT
okay dokay then
Whambo -How can you rank cain above Fedor?fracnoc - Fedors record without padding. This list excludes cans, freak fights, fights vs fighters from lhw that he won. fights vs fighters over 40 when he was younger.
Pedro rizzo win
Jeff monson win
Dan Henderson loss
Antonio Silva loss
Fabricio werdum loss
Brett rogers win
Andrei arlovski win
Tim Sylvia win
Mark hunt win
Mirko cro cop win
Big nog win
Big nog nc
Kevin randleman win
Mark Coleman win
Gary goodridge win
Fujita win
Big nog win
Herring win
Semmy Schilt win
Record 15-3 vs decent competition.
Compare that to a gsp or Anderson now that the cans are cleared.
I think Fedor's legacy is always going to be tied to him beating Big Nog 3x and beating a prime Cro Cop. When you look at the rest of the record nothing really stands out. A lot of the guys were just considered good, but nothing great in MMA like Herring, Goodridge, Randleman, etc. Coleman was passed his prime. Some victories weren't exactly dominant and sorta took away from the mystique Fedor enjoyed with the AA and Hunt wins. Brett Rogers... yah.
The losses get dismissed because people treat an early 30's Fedor like he was an early 40's Fedor which i've always found amusing.
So where does Fedor rank amonst the great HW's? Pretty much right at the top behind Cain. HW titles tend to go back and forth quickly, so somebody to rack up a massive win streak like he did is impressive, even if it wasn't a "murderers row" like Jones and GSP faced. When people put him at the top of P4P GOATS that's when it gets a bit silly.
He night go down as the goat but right now he is not there. He has two wins over jds, a win over brock, and 2 wins over big foot.
He needs to beat werdum and win at least 4 more fights after that to become the goat at heavyweight
Right, cuz Hardy and Mayhem were totally not cans.
Fedor had an incredible career. Watching him live he was as exciting as any fighter. Most who did not see him fight live simply will not understand this.
Besides that, I only wish to correct the guy who claimed he beat Nog 3 times -- that is wrong, Fedor beat Nog twice. The first match he won dominantly. The second match was declared a NC, given that Fedor head-butted Nog (intentional or not) as Nog began to take his back, thus opening a huge cut on Fedor. The third fight Fedor won again by decision, however he was far less bold attacking Nog on the ground.
So again, Fedor is the man and he beat Nog twice.