Form of poker with least LUCK

Which form of poker is generally considered to be the one where luck is less of a factor than the others?

I've been playing a lot of 7 Stud recently and I just get the feeling that there is less luck in this game than NLHE and PLO. I haven't played enough Stud/8 or O8 to comment on those games, though, but I have played a good bit of Triple Draw (which seems to be the MOST luck oriented).

I haven't seen much writing on this. Does Sklansky talk about this subject in any of his poker essays?

He does but I can't remember where I read it...maybe in Poker, Gaming, and Life? I know that he said it was bad business for a casino to spread NLHE cash games because the regular fish lose all their money way to fast. This was before the big poker boom and I think the low max buy-in structure helps to prevent this at least a little bit.

He also said that the reason razz isn't spread anymore is because experts could essentially play the game perfectly.

There's an essay in Sklansky on Poker about the form of poker with the most skill.

The lowball games involve more luck than the other forms of poker because the strength of your hand relative to your opponents's can whip-saw up and down quite dramatically as the hand progresses.

Sklansky has written that Hold 'Em is a more skillful game than Stud and that NLHE is more skillful than limit Hold 'Em; this is because draw-outs occur more often in Stud than in Hold 'Em. Super/System 2 states that PLO is more volatile than NLHE.

However, this is only a hunch of mine, but I believe that at low limits, in fairly loose games, Stud is LESS volatile than HE. This is only a hunch, mind you. I think it has something to do with the fact that Hold 'Em is a community card game; against tight-aggressive players, the community card nature makes the game more skillful...but against a lot of loose callers, I think the game becomes suddenly more volatile.

I'm not sure if a buy Sklansky's reason for why Razz is not spread anymore. It is true that experts can play the game perfectly. However, it is also true that the short volatility of the game is mind boggling so fish should still be able to win in the short run and beat the crap out of the experts's bankroll (in the short run). I think the main reason it isn't spread is that many people find lowball poker to be heretical.

"I'm not sure if a buy Sklansky's reason for why Razz is not spread anymore. It is true that experts can play the game perfectly. However, it is also true that the short volatility of the game is mind boggling so fish should still be able to win in the short run and beat the crap out of the experts's bankroll (in the short run). I think the main reason it isn't spread is that many people find lowball poker to be heretical."

On the full tilt message boards, both Howard Lederer and Rafe Furst said that Razz actually has a very very low volatility. The reason was that if a player has a better board than his opponent and he has good hole cards, he usually has the best hand. As opposed to stud where you could have a better board and good hole cards, but your opponent could still have a better hand. For example, he says that an opponent can have 4 of a kind without even having a pair on his board.

Hmmm...that is true...I never thought of it that way...

I'll have to think about this a bit more...

My rationale was that if you started off with a good hand, it could turn to poop pretty fast if you caught bricks. However, I guess you could say the same thing about Hold 'Em after the flop (where your pocket A's can suddenly turn to garbage) or regular Stud, i.e. if you have a big pair and you put your opponent on a smaller pair and then he pairs his door card and trips up (at that point, you're a big dog).

Yeah, I guess the big difference is that in Razz, you know your hand has turned to shit, while in holdem, if you have AA and your opponent hits a set, you really don't know unless you have a great read on him, and even then its hard not to go broke.

Another mistake I made was that thinking that Razz had wild swings like single-draw lowball.

In single-draw lowball, you could have a great pre-draw hand (like A-2-3-4-10) and almost 50% of the time, you'll end up utterly wrecking your hand by pairing one of your low cards or catching a card higher than a 10.